If I was obligated to get a Jeep, I would lease it so I can get rid of it easier. I have had three 4Runners in the last 20 years with no issues, only normal maintenance, fluids, tires, and a radiator.

I own both a T4R and a JK on 37's. If I had to pick just one it would be the 4runner, hands down. Not even close.

The Jeep is great fun, of course. But it will never do the duty that the T4R sees as far as road trips and massive mileage with complete confidence. Plus knowing it's pretty damn capable as it sits.

IMO the 4Runner's rear window is underrated as a substitute for being a convertible. Think about it. Roll down all of the windows including the rear. Bam! You've got a convertible without the drawbacks of being a convertible, all of the benefits of having a permanent top, and your bald spot's not getting sun burned.

I just traded a 2022 Jeep Gladiator Rubicon for a 2022 TRD PRO. There was nothing wrong with the Gladiator and it rides good for what it is. The reasons I traded was, a deal on the TRD PRO and more room in the interior.

There are positives and negatives to both vehicles, however, the resale on the TRD also helped sway me. I have had 4 new Jeeps this past year and only oil changes needed. If you want a fun pick-up the Jeep is a good choice, if you want rock solid reliability and good resale the the 4Runner is a good SUV choice.

Jeeps in the right trim have serious off road ability. That said FCA is a junk company with most of its products in the lowest tiers of product reliability. The jeep is one of the lowest quality rated vehicles on the road.

Having a jeep wrangler as a daily driver is not a good choice for most.
But as a second vehicle why not if you dont mind the shop bills and crappy components.

The rear window is nice for airflow, but there it's no substitute for taking the doors and top off. Even just the doors off is a special feeling. My favorite was doors/top off and had a Spiderwebshade over my head to help with the sun. Doing that was the one true thing I miss about my Wrangler.

I definitely agree about utilizing the rear window for airflow. However I couldn't agree more about the feeling of having your top and doors off, whether it be on road/offroad. I'm just lucky enough to have my wrangler as a toy nowadays.

Considering a Tesla Model Y.

We drive so much, our gas is approximately $800 a month. Trading out of a T4R for a Model Y would be nearly the same payment, except the cost of operation would reduce by more than the vehicle payment price.

Currently live in an area with $0.10 / KWH energy year round, no peak rates. 95+% of our charging could be done at home, at those rates.


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I have a 2012 4runner and my wife has a 2019 jeep grand Cherokee. That jeeps had electrical problems week 1 and here I am with not a single problem on my 4runner after a decade of use. I'll never go jeep again.

Jeep diluted the Grand Cherokee with too many trim levels. Laredo, Limited, and ONE special trim, tops.

Whether 1993 Grand Wagoneer, 1994-1997 Orvis, 1998 5.9 Limited, then Overland, then SRT8. It was “the one special one” of any model year and made sense.

I don’t get this Trailhawk, Limited X, Summit, Summit Reserve, keeping the SRT while also having a Trackhawk.

They’re so afraid culling the herd will result in them losing a few thousand units in sales, they’re drowning in options and confusing buyers.

I feel the same way with models of Grand Cherokee as I do about GM sub brands. How many different iterations of the Chevy Trailblazer did they make?

Chevy Trailblazer
GMC Envoy
Saab 9-7X
Isuzu Ascender
Buick Rainier
Oldsmobile Bravada


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I have owned three Jeeps a XJ, a YJ, and now a TJ. My parents own two Gladiators, a Rubicon and a Mojave, and they have a 21 JK with the 4 cylinder, I also have a 20 4Runner TRD Pro so I have some real world input.

First off all three of my Jeeps were and are very reliable. I put near 300k miles on my XJ before it was stolen. I currently own a 98 TJ with a 4.0l that we use to tow behind our motor home. So far no issues

Here’s my take on the 4Runner vs Jeep debate. Jeeps are a little rougher around the edges in the interior, noisier on the highway, and ride a little harsher. The soft top is so loud there is no way to hear the stereo above 45 mph. However they are awesome off-road capable vehicles right out of the box, plus the aftermarket parts support is phenomenal. Also the Jeep culture is a fun brotherhood that I have yet to see in the 4Runner world.

The 4Runner is more refined and a much better vehicle to travel long distances with. I have had zero issues with mine so far with the exception of the stupid steering wheel shake at highway speeds. I do like the ability to open all the windows and sunroof for that open air feeling and still be able to close them without having to stop. I think the interior plastics are cheap and easy to scratch, so I have learned to cushion everything with towels or blankets. The paint is ok but the Jeep is not any better. The engine is ok and I really have no complaints as it has done everything I have asked of it.

The resale on both is solid right now. Almost every day I get offers to buy my Jeep, but I won’t sell because I can’t flat tow the 4Runner. I plan on keeping the 4Runner for a long time, but I may get rid of the Jeep when we sell the motorhome.
If I get back into hardcore off-roading I will look at Side by sides.

My folks Gladiators are ok but not as refined as the 4Runner, and I feel cramped when I am in one. The new start/stop feature is annoying, my dad bypassed the one on the Rubicon but not the Mojave yet.

I wouldn’t base your decision on the options here just do what’s best for you.
My $.02…..

So you weren't actually topless but you had to use a see through top like in the old Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Editions which is... sexy?

Exactly. Shows through just enough to give you that top off feeling, but without the sunburn. I'm sure the models felt the same as they romped around the beaches of Fiji.

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^ thank god a member used their very first post to necropost in a two year dead thread, and add those important words of wisdom for the op, who I am sure is still considering that exact same trade