Hello all, I'm new to the forum (as you can tell by post #16 ). I have a new 2022 T4R ORP making its way to me as we speak, but the delivery time estimate makes no sense to me. According to the salesperson and the manager, the ship docked at the Port of Long Beach nearly a week ago, on June 6th. As I was driving to the dealership, he told me the estimated delivery was 2 weeks (I purchased it in Denver), and that made sense to me. Once I got to the dealership he said he'd been incorrect on his estimate, and that the actual delivery estimate was 3-5 weeks. Something about taking longer than expected to get off the ship and clear customs. That just seems unbelievably long to me.

I'd love to hear the amount of time other recent buyers had to wait once the ship docked, before they received their vehicles. Should I believe the dealer, or does it sound fishy? Thanks in advance.

I test drove a 2WD Nightshade and bought a 4WD that was allocated a VIN but had not arrived. It was delivered to the dealer a week later.


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For context, sequence is:
- ship transport across the ocean
- time at port (unloading, customs, port installed options, etc)
- freight transport (train)
- ground transport (truck)

In my case, ship transport was two weeks (which seems to be the standard), then it spent two+ weeks at port before being loaded on a truck, skipping freight transportation since my dealer is only a few hours from the port. It took almost three weeks in total from the day it arrived at port to the day it was delivered to my dealer.

I've heard that Long Beach may be more backed up than Portland, and given that you'd also need to add freight time to get your 4runner closer to Denver, I'd trust your dealer on this one.

while I can't speak from experience with ordering a 4runner, I do know that there are backups and trucking shortages at the ports on the west coast especially LA area. I have been seeing this from a business perspective for months. containers sitting in port waiting to be unloaded, can't get truckers to unload, racking up fees from taking up a shipping container. it might be a bit better now than it was a few months ago but it's still slow. have to be patient here, nothing you can do, just be lucky you're not paying $$$ each day your truck is stuck in a container lol

Toyota stopped giving their dealers ETAs on incoming units recently due to various logistics and transportation issues stemming from COVID shortages, shutdowns, and whatnot. The dealer is guessing based on recent experience or what they hear through the grapevine. There is no such thing as an accurate ETA currently.


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This environment is normalizing risky behaviors such as putting deposits on vehicles sight unseen, and purchasing vehicles you’ve never seen.

This creates a dangerous validation and peer pressure to gravitate toward this behavior. There is going to be a high amount of vehicles 1 and 2 years old back out on the lots because people didn’t know what they were buying.

You could fall in love with the “idea of” and aesthetic of a Tahoe, but sit in one and your dreams all fall apart.

As they say; sometimes it’s best if you never meet your heroes.


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I had a 22 ORP routed to me in early March, it was on the vessel. Once it hit port, I received the vehicle in about 4 weeks. I'm in Wichita, KS.

I mean you can still clearly see the vehicle in Dealer Daily whether it’s in A, F, or G status. So there’s little risk there. It’s just the timeline between each part has become much less certain than before.


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Thanks Gents, I appreciate the insight. I'm less worried now after reading these responses. I didn't see how it could possibly take so long to clear the port, so I was suspicious that it hadn't even shipped yet, or was still crossing the ocean, when I heard the 3-5 week estimate. Now that I see 4 weeks is a rough average, I can sleep a little better at night.


This is a valid point, especially for someone who has never seen or test driven a similar vehicle. I am fortunate in that regard, I asked them if I could test drive a 2021 4Runner they had on the lot, which I figured couldn't be incredibly different from the 2022. In addition to that, I'm coming from two Tacos and a previous 4Runner, so I have a good idea how it will generally handle.

BUT...I did learn that the newer 4Runners have a WAY lighter ceiling carpeting than either of my Tacos or my previous 4Runner did. I honestly hate it. Light ceilings in cars make me feel like I'm driving an Oldsmobile from the 80's. I guess I'm going to have to throw a million velcro patches up there to tone it down a bit. But even the part coming down the A and B posts annoys me. Not enough to make me not buy it, but I'm still bummed they chose that light coloring.

The material (I don’t know if it’s really felt, but I’ll call it felt) is the old style that I attributed to separating and sagging over time:



I’d advise a full replacement with charcoal morzine (called morzine by at least one automaker) if you ever get so sick of it you cant stand it. That’s the newer knit that kind of looks like the mesh on a Polo shirt.




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Thanks for the suggestion. Honestly it never dawned on me that it could be replaced. Upholstery in vehicles is something I usually think of as just being permanent. But if it irritates me to the point of not liking my new vehicle enough, I just might look into it. Then the only thing would be to figure out how to darken the inside of the posts.

dont crush my 6.2L v8 dreams. thats all Im going to have left when the 4runner becomes a twin turbo 4cyl

OK, so I went and looked at my daughter's '09 Taco, and the headliner is a medium gray (not awful), made out of the same fuzzy stuff that the new 4Runners use, which I guess is meant for putting all our velcro patches on?

Then I looked at my 2017 Taco, and it has the exact headliner I wish my new 4Runner would come with. It's a dark charcoal color (not black), and it seems to be made out of exactly the material you've described. You can't stick velcro to it, and it looks like a stiffer version of a polo shirt.

I've tried googling the fabric you're talking about, but I'm not getting any results other than clothing. I found companies that sell headliner fabrics of varying kinds, and I have some samples on order, but none are that material like my 2017 Taco has. If I could find some of that for my 4Runner and have the service department install it, I'd be a happy camper.

I completely forgot: check your sun visors on any new 4Runner, they are morzine.

An upholstery shop would replace it and they’d also have suppliers where they can get the material. I’m fairly certain these headliners (the foam and fabric) are glued to a stiffer plastic or cardboard “card” that holds its shape.

The shop would separate the existing headliner and glue the new morzine down to the underlying card and that gives you your shape. Unless something recent had fundamentally changed everything I knew about headliners.


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I believe I found it! It looks just like the same stock photo you provided, just a slightly darker color (they come in a ton of colors):

Amazon.com: 3/16 Atlas Grey Foam Backed Automotive Flat Knit Headliner Fabric 60 Wide Sold by The Yard