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Interesting outcome to someone’s steering wheel shake
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07-28-2022, 07:42 PM
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The front drive shaft, that isn't spinning, was causing a vibration?
Tire's weren't properly balanced, which this vehicle is incredibly sensitive to, and has been for 20 years now.
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07-28-2022, 07:53 PM
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So, I posted this a few weeks back. I have a 22 ORP, within the first 100 miles I had Discount Tire put on some new A/T's Toyo AT 3's. I had a shake in the front wheel between 50-65mph. I went back to DT and they ordered me a new set of front tires to see if that would fix it. It didn't. I changed to Cooper Rugged Treks, factory size. Runs perfectly now! This is what I love about DT, they take care of you. Yes, the do road force balance the tires as well which is the latest and greatest balancing technology.
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07-28-2022, 10:06 PM
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The front drive shaft, that isn't spinning, was causing a vibration?
Tire's weren't properly balanced, which this vehicle is incredibly sensitive to, and has been for 20 years now.
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You think the poster meant CV axle?
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07-29-2022, 12:03 AM
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You think the poster meant CV axle?
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Who knows? The drive shafts are balanced with stick on weights, as they spin at very high speed. The CVs aren't balanced in any way that I'm aware of, outside of manufacturing tolerances. Probably 3rd hand info that all really boils down to tire balance.
May be stating the obvious for many, but for anyone doesn't know: the SR5, Trail, and TRD's part time 4wd system has a front axle disconnect that prevents the front driveshaft from turning when in 2wd, whereas the limited with full time 4wd spins the front driveshaft all the time.
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07-29-2022, 12:48 AM
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Who knows? The drive shafts are balanced with stick on weights, as they spin at very high speed. The CVs aren't balanced in any way that I'm aware of, outside of manufacturing tolerances. Probably 3rd hand info that all really boils down to tire balance.
May be stating the obvious for many, but for anyone doesn't know: the SR5, Trail, and TRD's part time 4wd system has a front axle disconnect that prevents the front driveshaft from turning when in 2wd, whereas the limited with full time 4wd spins the front driveshaft all the time.
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Glad to see there're people here that know how the vehicle works beyond the "will these tire fit?" and "what lift for Xxx?" folks.
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07-29-2022, 08:44 AM
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Funny, I just updated an older post today on the steering wheel vibration at speeds of around 65 mph. This may be purely coincidental, but after having 2 sets of Bridgestone tires (one set was the original and experienced vibration on both sets), I decided to try Michelin and I couldn’t be happier. Vibration gone and driving on the highway is now a pleasure, ride is smooth as glass even at 90 mph. The second set and the 3rd being the Michelins were both put on by different Costcos and the 2nd set was put on in 09”. At the time, I didn’t know about the certain balancing machines the balance tires correctly, so I can’t speak to balancing machines at Costco. Just know I’ve never been happier with the ride especially in highway.
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07-29-2022, 09:28 AM
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Yep, most of us are Idiots.
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Glad to see there're people here that know how the vehicle works beyond the "will these tire fit?" and "what lift for Xxx?" folks.
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07-29-2022, 02:21 PM
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After DT installed my Michelin Defenders, the steering wheel had a terrible shake to it. Took it back and they rebalanced the tires, but it still wasn't much better. 3 of 4 tires took about 3 oz of weight, so they used 12 .25 oz tape weights, effectively spreading out the weight over too great an area, not really fixing the issue. At least they didn't stack weights on top of each other like they did on my Jeep. They may road force balance the wheels and tires once they are together, but they don't take the time to force match them before they are mated, where it is really needed. I removed all the weights and replaced them with 1.0 oz tape weights, concentrating the area. Much improved, almost zero shake.
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07-29-2022, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Deuxdiesel
After DT installed my Michelin Defenders, the steering wheel had a terrible shake to it. Took it back and they rebalanced the tires, but it still wasn't much better. 3 of 4 tires took about 3 oz of weight, so they used 12 .25 oz tape weights, effectively spreading out the weight over too great an area, not really fixing the issue. At least they didn't stack weights on top of each other like they did on my Jeep. They may road force balance the wheels and tires once they are together, but they don't take the time to force match them before they are mated, where it is really needed. I removed all the weights and replaced them with 1.0 oz tape weights, concentrating the area. Much improved, almost zero shake.
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The skill of the person doing the balance job matters. Some are hacks, others simply don't know what they're doing. Ask for someone with lots of experience, who knows how to use the machine to it's full capability.
There's also the possibility you just got a tire or tires with poor uniformity, in which case they should be replaced.
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07-29-2022, 06:34 PM
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The skill of the person doing the balance job matters. Some are hacks, others simply don't know what they're doing. Ask for someone with lots of experience, who knows how to use the machine to it's full capability.
There's also the possibility you just got a tire or tires with poor uniformity, in which case they should be replaced.
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Absolutely this. I like Discount Tire for a lot of reasons but in general I don't believe they are experts at solving balancing issues.
The Nitto Terra Grappler G2's that came on my T4R ORP had issues from day one. The dealer replaced 2 of them and got them balanced well enough that they were tolerable but never perfect. At 40k miles I took a chance on a local tire shop and had them road force balance them. I figured the tires were too old and worn to perfectly balance them and was hoping they could just make it better. But I'll be darned if they didn't get them pretty much perfect. DT was my goto place for tires but I will be buying from this local shop when my T4R needs tires.
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07-30-2022, 08:07 PM
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We'll be complaining about this until the 6th gen arrives... which will be never
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07-31-2022, 11:07 AM
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Michelin tires with weight issues are rare, in my opinion.
If the wheels are good wheels, not crappy chinese knock offs, and the person putting the tires on knows what the red and yellow dot means, the amount of weight should be negligible on high quality tires.
I would also check the DOT letters are see where your tires are made.
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07-31-2022, 12:24 PM
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Unbalanced front driveshaft seems kinda vague within the context of the issue. It doesnt spin on a Pro on paved road. They must mean CV axle which doesnt quite make sense unless this just is a basic way of saying the needle bearing was defective or something like that?
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07-31-2022, 12:35 PM
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Sort of wonder if it isn't the steering rack guide wasn't tensioned properly, but "defective steering" isn't a phrase customers would like to hear. There was on TSB for the GX470 to replace the rack guide spring and retension it properly because of steering shake issues on some of them.
I tightened mine up slightly on the 99 to make the steering heavier the way I like it and never had issues with any tires. Not to mention SPC UCAS for extra caster adjustment.
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