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In some weird way I like when things break because I know that I'm really using them.
too true.. I used to do a lot of track days. People would always wonder why i continued to do so when crashing was not unexpected. I always told them that "if you are not crashing, you are not trying hard enough"

i get it...always pushing you or your vehicle to the edge.
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I went with 315s because I do a lot of snow wheeling in conditions where the snow is very deep and I need flotation. Also mud is pretty rare here outside of the PNW and most of my wheeling is over dry rock which K02s are great on.


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Understood the float on snow. Thanks for posting the pic. ON mine I went the opposite way and went skinny and thin on snow. My area is like yours, not a ton of mud, but lots of gravel, rock and crap with tons of snow thrown in.
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I blew the end cap off the stock steering rack on the trail with 160k miles on the truck and 35's. Fluid went everywhere and I limped it off the trail.

A LC200 rack should be good up to 40s and is only a couple hundred more expensive than a stock steering rack.
I've had the same experience with 33s, my steering rack failed around 120K on a trail run but I was able to hobble out. I've also had a couple of outer tie rods bend on me and they were an easy trail replacement. I just saw a LC200 rack replacement failure on a 5th gen on 40s. Apparently a lot of the internals are the same as a stock 5th gen rack there is just more space for fluid volume.

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So yeah I've had some breakage but nothing that can't be beefed up in advance, the only real expensive item is the rear diff solid pinion spacer but can be taken care of alongside a regear and lockers. And maybe the 5th gen rear diff is strong enough to handle 35s but I've seen at least 5 guys with factory untouched 8" rear diffs grenade them on 35s with 4th gens and FJs. But like I said once you replace that crush washer with a solid spacer it should be fine with 35's especially your 8.4 diff.
Good insight here, I haven't seen a stock 8.2" on a 5th gen blow up yet. Only grenaded diffs that were regeared improperly. So we will see how I do. I've got Slickrock in a couple of weeks and a full Rubicon run first week of Nov (If they open it up again).
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Understood the float on snow. Thanks for posting the pic. ON mine I went the opposite way and went skinny and thin on snow. My area is like yours, not a ton of mud, but lots of gravel, rock and crap with tons of snow thrown in.
Skinny tires work on snow that has pavement underneath it so you can cut down to the bottom. Not so much in snow that is 10-20ft deep in a lot of the off-road snow wheeling situations we have here. At least that has been my observations
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I'll be interested to see how you sort it all out. You may need some longer bump stops.
What altitude do you wheel at?
This weekend we topped off at around 7500 ft. Longer bump stops would definitely solve the problem but I want to keep as much up travel as possible. So im trying to clearance as much as I can.
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Ah good call, I mentioned being on stock gearing but I guess it was a bit buried. The gearing obviously affects power and the crawl ratio which would be both solved with gearing to 4.56 or even 4.88. However, I know changing the gearing will most likely result in a negative impact on fuel economy. Which is a factor to consider of course.

Caster is set to 4.1 driver and 4.0 passenger, that is the max you can get with Icon UCAs. My rims are 17x9 with a -25 offset which doesnt make things easier. However, even with a 0 offset wheel I can't see a world where you're not hitting your fender flares at full compression.
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Right! Now if I can just get the wife to stop freaking out every time she hears a little rub
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I’ve been on group trail runs. The come-as-you are type where everyone is welcome. Those adventures follow a pattern that is very good at revealing the hierarchy of off road features.
  • The group sets off from base camp.
  • The vehicles with street tires are the first ones to get left behind. The vehicles with proper AT tires continue.
  • The next line of demarcation is ground clearance. (We can include fording depth too.) Trucks with bigger tires and/or some lift may proceed. Otherwise it’s time to break out the folding chairs and the coolers.
  • Next on the list is 4WD. Yes — it’s a ways up on the list. I’ve been able to get pretty far with two wheel drive.
  • Low range follows 4WD. This is where all the Haldex cars, even the lifted ones, drop off of the group.
  • Penultimately - diff locks. Most of us don’t need them often, but when you need ‘em, you really need ‘em. For those that have them it will be an uncrowded camp site that night, because they have gone where others could not.
Then, breathing the rarified air of the elite, is the super-modified crowd. Super-modified means modifications so extreme that they necessitate other modifications. Tires so big that regearing is a must. Armor so heavy that the brakes need upgrading. The factory bodywork is the virgin stone from which the artist will chisel out his masterpiece.

Ladies and gentlemen, a 4Runner can be made to breathe the rarified air, but it takes more effort to get it there. More than some of its competitors. I say with some tremulation that it might not be the right tool for the job.
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I’ve been on group trail runs. The come-as-you are type where everyone is welcome. Those adventures follow a pattern that is very good at revealing the hierarchy of off road features.
  • The group sets off from base camp.
  • The vehicles with street tires are the first ones to get left behind. The vehicles with proper AT tires continue.
  • The next line of demarcation is ground clearance. (We can include fording depth too.) Trucks with bigger tires and/or some lift may proceed. Otherwise it’s time to break out the folding chairs and the coolers.
  • Next on the list is 4WD. Yes — it’s a ways up on the list. I’ve been able to get pretty far with two wheel drive.
  • Low range follows 4WD. This is where all the Haldex cars, even the lifted ones, drop off of the group.
  • Penultimately - diff locks. Most of us don’t need them often, but when you need ‘em, you really need ‘em. For those that have them it will be an uncrowded camp site that night, because they have gone where others could not.
Then, breathing the rarified air of the elite, is the super-modified crowd. Super-modified means modifications so extreme that they necessitate other modifications. Tires so big that regearing is a must. Armor so heavy that the brakes need upgrading. The factory bodywork is the virgin stone from which the artist will chisel out his masterpiece.

Ladies and gentlemen, a 4Runner can be made to breathe the rarified air, but it takes more effort to get it there. More than some of its competitors. I say with some tremulation that it might not be the right tool for the job.

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I’ve been on group trail runs. The come-as-you are type where everyone is welcome. Those adventures follow a pattern that is very good at revealing the hierarchy of off road features.
  • The group sets off from base camp.
  • The vehicles with street tires are the first ones to get left behind. The vehicles with proper AT tires continue.
  • The next line of demarcation is ground clearance. (We can include fording depth too.) Trucks with bigger tires and/or some lift may proceed. Otherwise it’s time to break out the folding chairs and the coolers.
  • Next on the list is 4WD. Yes — it’s a ways up on the list. I’ve been able to get pretty far with two wheel drive.
  • Low range follows 4WD. This is where all the Haldex cars, even the lifted ones, drop off of the group.
  • Penultimately - diff locks. Most of us don’t need them often, but when you need ‘em, you really need ‘em. For those that have them it will be an uncrowded camp site that night, because they have gone where others could not.
Then, breathing the rarified air of the elite, is the super-modified crowd. Super-modified means modifications so extreme that they necessitate other modifications. Tires so big that regearing is a must. Armor so heavy that the brakes need upgrading. The factory bodywork is the virgin stone from which the artist will chisel out his masterpiece.

Ladies and gentlemen, a 4Runner can be made to breathe the rarified air, but it takes more effort to get it there. More than some of its competitors. I say with some tremulation that it might not be the right tool for the job.
We bought a TRD Offroad which covers
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We installed
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within about 2 months of owning our rig. Then drove 780 miles to Moab, wheeled for a week on 4-5/10 rated trails and then drove back home with nothing more than a few armor scratches/dents. We then did a snow run, a desert run, a beach dune run and have some AZ and Big Bear trail riding in our future.

We'll probably re-gear and add a front locker. I don't look at that as in anyway un-achievable or compromising what is a great all-around vehicle. My wife literally drove my daughters and her friends in the 4runner on saturday down to the HS homecoming dance, because it's so roomy, comfy and easy to drive. This is lifted on 33's with major armor, winch, roof rack, full overland kit in back, etc.I had no idea we were breathing "rarified air".

All kidding aside, you do have to pay to play. What we've build is NOT cheap, but it's a buy once, cry once proposition and I sold my Willys jeep project to fund our stage 1 mods.
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Great thread, btw, and look forward to your earnest testing efforts.

I'd say that so far 33's-35's are the bee's knee's. I think we know this because our post 2010 FJCruiser brethren have already forged a path. As far as I can tell they have the same or similar drivetrain as us with an 8" front clamshell and an 8.2" rear diff. Many of them rock 35's without much anecdotal breakage reports on the rear axle, with the occasional CV pop in the front with spirited driving on an open diff or heavy use of a front locker on tougher terrain. (it's the earlier FJ's and GX470's that have the 8" rearend that is prone to breakage, necessitating a D60 or diamond axle swap to get some reliability on bigger tires)

I'd say that small 34's-35's like BFG's are a good stopping point for us, and what we'll probably do is rock our 33's for a year or so, add some 4.56's and a front locker and go have fun on some tougher so-cal trails and report back. I honestly love the idea of a reliable, "working-within-it's-limits" rig that has a respectable crawl ratio, solid armor and 33's-35's tires. Rather have that than a rig on 37's-40's that I fear using the throttle on when I need some momentum.
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I’ve been on group trail runs. The come-as-you are type where everyone is welcome. Those adventures follow a pattern that is very good at revealing the hierarchy of off road features.
  • The group sets off from base camp.
  • The vehicles with street tires are the first ones to get left behind. The vehicles with proper AT tires continue.
  • The next line of demarcation is ground clearance. (We can include fording depth too.) Trucks with bigger tires and/or some lift may proceed. Otherwise it’s time to break out the folding chairs and the coolers.
  • Next on the list is 4WD. Yes — it’s a ways up on the list. I’ve been able to get pretty far with two wheel drive.
  • Low range follows 4WD. This is where all the Haldex cars, even the lifted ones, drop off of the group.
  • Penultimately - diff locks. Most of us don’t need them often, but when you need ‘em, you really need ‘em. For those that have them it will be an uncrowded camp site that night, because they have gone where others could not.
Then, breathing the rarified air of the elite, is the super-modified crowd. Super-modified means modifications so extreme that they necessitate other modifications. Tires so big that regearing is a must. Armor so heavy that the brakes need upgrading. The factory bodywork is the virgin stone from which the artist will chisel out his masterpiece.

Ladies and gentlemen, a 4Runner can be made to breathe the rarified air, but it takes more effort to get it there. More than some of its competitors. I say with some tremulation that it might not be the right tool for the job.
I disagree with your assertion but love how you articulated this Well done.
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too true.. I used to do a lot of track days. People would always wonder why i continued to do so when crashing was not unexpected. I always told them that "if you are not crashing, you are not trying hard enough"

i get it...always pushing you or your vehicle to the edge.

I’m a track rat myself too but my damage tolerance on my car is waaayyyyyyyyyyy lower than my 4Runner. At least outside tires and brakes





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tires
armor
snorkel
diff breathers

within about 2 months of owning our rig. Then drove 780 miles to Moab, wheeled for a week on 4-5/10 rated trails and then drove back home with nothing more than a few armor scratches/dents. We then did a snow run, a desert run, a beach dune run and have some AZ and Big Bear trail riding in our future.

We'll probably re-gear and add a front locker. I don't look at that as in anyway un-achievable or compromising what is a great all-around vehicle. My wife literally drove my daughters and her friends in the 4runner on saturday down to the HS homecoming dance, because it's so roomy, comfy and easy to drive. This is lifted on 33's with major armor, winch, roof rack, full overland kit in back, etc.I had no idea we were breathing "rarified air".

All kidding aside, you do have to pay to play. What we've build is NOT cheap, but it's a buy once, cry once proposition and I sold my Willys jeep project to fund our stage 1 mods.
Yup for sure. Its all about taking your truck out figuring out what works and then iterating. It took my almost 7 years to build my setup to where it is today. Each upgrade had a purpose but I will admit this recent one was a bit of YOLO. Given I was aiming to tackle some tough bucket list trails before being sidelined from 4x4ing with the arrival of a kiddo in Dec.
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