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Old 10-22-2022, 05:58 PM #16
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Thank you! Out of curiosity, what specific Bilsteins and Dobbins did you get since I anticipate doing this if I keep my trail.



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I have a 2011 Trail, ~125,000 miles, KDSS, Bilstein shocks, Dobinson 1-inch lift front springs and everything else is stock. Checked for lean moments ago with fuel 3/4's full. Rear is equal and right front is +1/8-th inch. Other times, lean is as much as 3/8-ths inch. I stand on the running board, grab the roof rack and begin with a vigorous rocking side to side 6-8 times, then tapering off to a slight rocking while stepping off the running board and that has reduced lean. If the KDSS cylinders and lines are not leaking oil, then your KDSS should be fine.
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Old 10-22-2022, 05:59 PM #17
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what are you seeing them go for? Best I saw was $28k for a silver one.
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If you buy a 2023 the TRD pro will have Entune 3.0 and CarPlay, heated steering wheel, front camera… what am I missing?

Did the old Trails have crawl control?


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Thank you! Out of curiosity, what specific Bilsteins and Dobbins did you get since I anticipate doing this if I keep my trail.
I installed Dobinson -238 springs on the front about 19 months ago; rear springs are stock. Today, measuring from center of hub to fender lower outer edge, I have 20-3/4 on RF and 20-5/8 on LF (therefore, -238 springs have settled to 3/4 and 5/8 inch lift respectively). Front measurements were 19-1/4 and 19 when I replaced OEM springs at 114,000 miles (so OEM springs had sagged 3/4 and 1 inch respectively).

I installed Bilstein 4600 on the rear when one of the OEM shocks was dripping oil at about 35,000 miles. The front shocks are Bilstein 5100 set to zero lift and installed along with the Dobinson -238 springs. If I were doing it again, I probably would install Bilstein 4600 on the front because I don't go off-road and it might be closer to OEM ride quality.
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I was in the same boat after I sold my ‘15 trail. I went back and forth, then I found an 11 trail w/KDSS for a steal and I’m happier than I would have been if I had bought a brand new one. I can justify a lot of mods since I saved ~$37k off the price of a new one!

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If you buy a 2023 the TRD pro will have Entune 3.0 and CarPlay, heated steering wheel, front camera… what am I missing?

Did the old Trails have crawl control?


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Multi terrain select, crawl control, ATRAC, and rear locker. I also have KDSS

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I just looked at the old girl and noticed it's leaning more prominently than I remember. (Edit: it's .5" higher on Drivers side rear, and .25" higher on DF.) I hope the KDSS isn't going out! (Any advice here would be welcome!)
Some people experience KDSS lean. I did but I accounted for it by adjusting the preload on my Kings and put a 10mm spacer in the rear. I suggest pulling off the KDSS accumulator shield under the driver door and cleaning from time to time. It can get caked up with dirt, mud, and junk and cause it to rust and fail

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I upgraded from 2010 SR5 to 2022 Trd Offroad. I got new fancy dashboard, push start button, big screen rear and front cameras with panoramic view (sort of grainy, but useable), auto lights, auto high beams, bunch of electronic assists like bling spot check, collision detection and adaptive cruise control. A little better radio and built-in GPS and 110v outlet in the trunk. 2022 4Runner can be accessed from the Internet via Toyota app and record your driving habits and GPS locations, but rumors are that it can be turned off by calling Toyota or pulling a fuse. I got remote start from app and from keyfob as well. That's all I can remember.

From all that new stuff I found really useful new cameras panoramic view - it helps parking between white lines. And cameras of course are better than my old rear camera in rear window, but not really useable offroad due to bad resolution. Well, sort of useful but not for much. For other stuff - I can live without it.


With SR5 I didn't get KDSS and rear locker, but you have it in 2012 Trail. I didn't go for TRD Pro mostly because it has roof rack not compatible with carrying canoe and sound system eliminates some space in the trunk. I think TRD PRo doesn't have KDSS, I found that KDSS is nice - it feels a little firmer on road, but I was fine without KDSS. I didn't see much difference offroad, maybe just didn't get in a spot when it really matters though.
We have a 2022 TRD ORP, and from all the research I did, the TRD ORP is not capable of Remote Start/Toyota Remote Connect, only the LTD and Pro models have the wireless module to do that. Did the dealer somehow add that after the vehicle was delivered?
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We have a 2022 TRD ORP, and from all the research I did, the TRD ORP is not capable of Remote Start/Toyota Remote Connect, only the LTD and Pro models have the wireless module to do that. Did the dealer somehow add that after the vehicle was delivered?
I thought all 2022 have DCM module but I have 2022 TRD Offroad Canadian Edition, so maybe it's different from US version. My T4R has Remote Connect app, dealer helper to register app with Toyota, I had to press SOS button and Toyota representative sent me the code to activate app. But it's only free for a year and personally I don't really like that all my driving GPS tracks are available over the Internet and my truck could be shut down, started up, locked or unlocked from the Internet. I think I cancel remote services, maybe disconnect antenna or pull the fuse after free trial is over.
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I thought all 2022 have DCM module but I have 2022 TRD Offroad Canadian Edition, so maybe it's different from US version. My T4R has Remote Connect app, dealer helper to register app with Toyota, I had to press SOS button and Toyota representative sent me the code to activate app. But it's only free for a year and personally I don't really like that all my driving GPS tracks are available over the Internet and my truck could be shut down, started up, locked or unlocked from the Internet. I think I cancel remote services, maybe disconnect antenna or pull the fuse after free trial is over.
I think Canadian 4Runners come with slightly different options, like the heated steering wheel that you can now get in the U.S., finally. The U.S. website had a chart somewhere that showed all the features available on each trim. Remote Start and Remote Connect (that has all the features that track your location, Remote User, and other remote functions like locking doors) were not even available on a one year Trial...seems stupid of Toyota to not offer it since it would be more reoccurring revenue for them.
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I think Canadian 4Runners come with slightly different options, like the heated steering wheel that you can now get in the U.S., finally. The U.S. website had a chart somewhere that showed all the features available on each trim. Remote Start and Remote Connect (that has all the features that track your location, Remote User, and other remote functions like locking doors) were not even available on a one year Trial...seems stupid of Toyota to not offer it since it would be more reoccurring revenue for them.
No heated steering wheel in my truck unfortunately. it's a really useful thing though, I would have it for instead of push button start, collision assist or blind spot mirror lights.
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My 2010 Trail has remote start and I had them program the remote to roll down all the windows too.
Got the list of programmable options from this post:
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My 2010 Trail has remote start and I had them program the remote to roll down all the windows too.
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Did the dealer charge you? Our dealer wanted $125 to program ours, so I bought Carista OBD2 dongle that works with their smart phone app that allows you to do that and a bunch of other customizations. $30 with a one month free trial of the app, well worth it. Simple to do, and safe .
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KDSS Balance and fixing a KDSS lean - Project 200

I happened to see the 2023 comparison between the Lexus 600, T4r and Tundra. The possibility of a hybrid on the T4r has me intrigued if it is close to what the did on the Tundra.

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