User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 10-26-2022, 11:36 AM #1
GreenMountainOwl GreenMountainOwl is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Vermont, USA
Posts: 68
GreenMountainOwl is on a distinguished road
GreenMountainOwl GreenMountainOwl is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Vermont, USA
Posts: 68
GreenMountainOwl is on a distinguished road
Help! Windows, climate control, etc failure

My wife is in the middle of the woods with her friend and she went to leave and discovered a whole bunch of problems with the 4Runner. They are in the mountains with no assistance available until tomorrow and it would be extremely difficult to remain there. Iím on a work assignment far away and canít get there at all. Both women have kids they need to pick up in a few hours. They are in a panic and unfortunately itís a hot day today and my wife canít make the drive out in the heat due to medical issues.

She says everything was fine yesterday and now today the windows, climate control, and dome lights do not work. Iíve walked her through checking every control in the vehicle.

I did some checking online and had her locate the ďECU-IG No. 1Ē fuse and check itó itís intact.

She found the ďShort PinĒ under the hood but doesnít have hours to spare waiting for it to reset.

What else should she check? I have two panicking women and I canít spend too much time on the phone or internet.
GreenMountainOwl is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 10-26-2022, 01:01 PM #2
GreenMountainOwl GreenMountainOwl is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Vermont, USA
Posts: 68
GreenMountainOwl is on a distinguished road
GreenMountainOwl GreenMountainOwl is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Vermont, USA
Posts: 68
GreenMountainOwl is on a distinguished road
Apologies for the incomplete info above, my wife is in a panic.

2014 Limited, all stock. About 120k miles.

Battery is about a year old.

No prior similar issues or concerns like this.

Sunroof isnít operational as well, I had her try that.

My wife is a recent brain cancer survivor with neurological problems and canít function in the heat, itís a crazy 74 degrees today which is unheard of for this time of year.
GreenMountainOwl is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 10-26-2022, 01:23 PM #3
Charles Bronson Charles Bronson is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: Earth
Posts: 292
Charles Bronson has a spectacular aura about Charles Bronson has a spectacular aura about
Charles Bronson Charles Bronson is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: Earth
Posts: 292
Charles Bronson has a spectacular aura about Charles Bronson has a spectacular aura about
Can the friend not drive the truck out? Sounds to me like certain electronics are in a safe mode because the battery went low. If I were them, I'd start driving out immediately and place a cool, wet towel/clothing on your wife's neck to help manage her temp. The electronics systems may come back as the battery is charged up. If this is a medical emergency, they should call 911.
Charles Bronson is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 10-26-2022, 02:56 PM #4
Auntie Soshul's Avatar
Auntie Soshul Auntie Soshul is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Virginia Piedmont
Posts: 273
Auntie Soshul is on a distinguished road
Auntie Soshul Auntie Soshul is offline
Member
Auntie Soshul's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Virginia Piedmont
Posts: 273
Auntie Soshul is on a distinguished road
Those sound like some of the symptoms mine had when the battery went dead. Does the vehicle start?
__________________
2013 SR5 Mag Gray, Pre-leveled, Non-nosedive edition
Plastic license plate frame
Auntie Soshul is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 10-26-2022, 03:45 PM #5
GreenMountainOwl GreenMountainOwl is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Vermont, USA
Posts: 68
GreenMountainOwl is on a distinguished road
GreenMountainOwl GreenMountainOwl is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Vermont, USA
Posts: 68
GreenMountainOwl is on a distinguished road
All,

Someone who did a better job at reading the fuse box came along and helped them. The short pin is blown. Whew, at least we know the problem for now.

Whatís the part number that can be had at an auto pares store? Thereís not many Toyota dealers here and none we can get to quickly.

Iím researching online but this is above my level of automotive knowledge and I canít seem to figure it out unless itís generally called something else.

Thanks a million!
GreenMountainOwl is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 10-26-2022, 04:49 PM #6
Charles Bronson Charles Bronson is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: Earth
Posts: 292
Charles Bronson has a spectacular aura about Charles Bronson has a spectacular aura about
Charles Bronson Charles Bronson is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: Earth
Posts: 292
Charles Bronson has a spectacular aura about Charles Bronson has a spectacular aura about
I don't know what the "short pin" is, but there is a good chance if you replace it, it may blow again if you can't determine the cause. Are they attaching something to the truck that has a heavy electric draw?

If the truck runs and drives, get out of there and have a friend get her once she's off the trail. Then drive the truck to a populated area, investigate the issue then, and get the part.
Charles Bronson is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 10-26-2022, 06:12 PM #7
GreenMountainOwl GreenMountainOwl is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Vermont, USA
Posts: 68
GreenMountainOwl is on a distinguished road
GreenMountainOwl GreenMountainOwl is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Vermont, USA
Posts: 68
GreenMountainOwl is on a distinguished road
Ok, so that wasnít the short pin. The person looking didnít really know what he was doing. But he gave them a ride to civilization and my neighbor is driving the car back.

My wife is smart but doesnít know cars. Sheís an amateur radio operator so comprehends electrical concepts at least. Sheís spent some time checking grounds for integrity and hasnít found anything damaged yet.
GreenMountainOwl is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 10-26-2022, 07:48 PM #8
02SE 02SE is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Here, There..
Posts: 3,739
02SE is a splendid one to behold 02SE is a splendid one to behold 02SE is a splendid one to behold 02SE is a splendid one to behold 02SE is a splendid one to behold 02SE is a splendid one to behold 02SE is a splendid one to behold
02SE 02SE is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Here, There..
Posts: 3,739
02SE is a splendid one to behold 02SE is a splendid one to behold 02SE is a splendid one to behold 02SE is a splendid one to behold 02SE is a splendid one to behold 02SE is a splendid one to behold 02SE is a splendid one to behold
I know cars, but have no idea what you're referring to as a "short pin".

I assume it's already dropped off at a qualified repair shop.

A bad ground is often the cause of random electrical issues.
02SE is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 10-26-2022, 09:16 PM #9
Captain Spalding's Avatar
Captain Spalding Captain Spalding is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2022
Posts: 229
Captain Spalding has a spectacular aura about Captain Spalding has a spectacular aura about
Captain Spalding Captain Spalding is offline
Member
Captain Spalding's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2022
Posts: 229
Captain Spalding has a spectacular aura about Captain Spalding has a spectacular aura about
Quote:
Originally Posted by 02SE View Post
I know cars, but have no idea what you're referring to as a "short pin".
Thereís a description of the short pin in this post.
Captain Spalding is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 10-27-2022, 07:52 AM #10
GreenMountainOwl GreenMountainOwl is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Vermont, USA
Posts: 68
GreenMountainOwl is on a distinguished road
GreenMountainOwl GreenMountainOwl is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Vermont, USA
Posts: 68
GreenMountainOwl is on a distinguished road
Thanks to everyone for the replies and food for thought!

*** I am going to break in here and add something that has come up after posting the info below. According to the plastic lid to my under hood fuse box, the short pin is actually missing! Am I mistaken or is this potentially an act of sabotage on two women fishing in the mountains? Online it seems the short pin should be a grey plastic rectangle type thing. But the fuse box lid shows it was being immediately next to the 30A starter relay— which is correct? And where can I get a short pin? Can I just use a regular fuse?***


Went to drive it to get looked at and today it doesn’t start. Door locks don’t work either and they were fine yesterday. Battery tests perfectly, it’s not dead and it passes a load test.

Topped off the battery with a NoCo Genius 5 which took all of one minute because it was still fully charged. Put battery back in and same results of no apparent power to locks.

Brake lights and headlights work, so far that’s all I can find.

I’d love to at least be able to start this to reposition it for a tow, or even drive to get looked at.

Ideas?

Edit to add photos showing the short pin (or lack thereof) in my fuse box…

Apparently I’m too old and/or not savvy enough to figure out how to post photos!

Last edited by GreenMountainOwl; 10-27-2022 at 08:07 AM. Reason: Added a detail
GreenMountainOwl is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 10-27-2022, 03:20 PM #11
Captain Spalding's Avatar
Captain Spalding Captain Spalding is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2022
Posts: 229
Captain Spalding has a spectacular aura about Captain Spalding has a spectacular aura about
Captain Spalding Captain Spalding is offline
Member
Captain Spalding's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2022
Posts: 229
Captain Spalding has a spectacular aura about Captain Spalding has a spectacular aura about
The short pin looks like a fuse with no number on it.

Edited to add: this photo shows the fuse box/lid for a 2022 and the location of the short pin may differ from your 2014. But I suspect the short pin is the same for both vehicles.

If you were thinking of substituting a fuse, better make it a 25 amp, and don’t use any accessories while using it.

One more thing: if you suspect a prank or vandalism, look around in the fuse box to see if the culprit might have just moved the short pin to another location in the fuse box.
Attached Images
Help! Windows, climate control, etc failure-9589f9fe-636f-4140-9452-7041bc858d6f-jpg 

Last edited by Captain Spalding; 10-27-2022 at 03:56 PM.
Captain Spalding is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 10-27-2022, 06:00 PM #12
GreenMountainOwl GreenMountainOwl is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Vermont, USA
Posts: 68
GreenMountainOwl is on a distinguished road
GreenMountainOwl GreenMountainOwl is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Vermont, USA
Posts: 68
GreenMountainOwl is on a distinguished road
Ok, I checked the engine compartment carefully with a flashlight and the pin was found sitting in a crevice down the side of the fuse box. I put it back in and now the vehicle starts and drives once more, but we are back to the same electrical issues. Checked more grounds but Iím out of time for today.
GreenMountainOwl is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 10-27-2022, 08:58 PM #13
Captain Spalding's Avatar
Captain Spalding Captain Spalding is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2022
Posts: 229
Captain Spalding has a spectacular aura about Captain Spalding has a spectacular aura about
Captain Spalding Captain Spalding is offline
Member
Captain Spalding's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2022
Posts: 229
Captain Spalding has a spectacular aura about Captain Spalding has a spectacular aura about
That is very odd. The short pin didnít just jump out of its slot in the fuse panel.

First piece of advice: disconnect the negative battery terminal for a while. Reconnect it and check. I make this recommendation not because of any specific knowledge but just a general experience that it can sometimes chase away the electrical gremlins.

Are there any warning/indicator lights on?

Finally, that thread I linked to above, go through the whole thing and see if anything rings a bell.
Link:
Instrument Cluster warning Icons all lit-up!
Captain Spalding is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 11-14-2022, 04:12 PM #14
GreenMountainOwl GreenMountainOwl is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Vermont, USA
Posts: 68
GreenMountainOwl is on a distinguished road
GreenMountainOwl GreenMountainOwl is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Vermont, USA
Posts: 68
GreenMountainOwl is on a distinguished road
Update:

Many thanks to @Captain _Spalding both for replies here as well as your past posts about similar topics that have given me things to check. Thanks a ton!

I had halted all of my efforts because it was getting too time-consuming. Wife wasn’t happy. Car went to the dealership.

Dealer found under dash fuse for ECU-IG No. 2 blown. No known cause, no grounding issues or frayed wires found. I didn’t have the time or money to pay them to search extensively.

I looked for wiring problems myself around that part of the car and found none. I was thinking my wife may have kicked something getting in or out of the car.

I Drove it for a week or so and it was fine. Wife used it for one day and same fuse was blown. Also under the hood fuse 35 for the dome light was blown. I don’t know if her operating it is the factor here.

I looked again for any shorts or unusual things and saw none.

Car is back to normal operation but there was an electrical burning smell coming from the vents for quite a while. No smells under the hood.

Any idea what I should be checking?

Last edited by GreenMountainOwl; 11-14-2022 at 04:14 PM. Reason: Added details
GreenMountainOwl is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 11-14-2022, 07:02 PM #15
Buz06 Buz06 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2022
Location: Live Free or Die Land
Posts: 26
Buz06 is on a distinguished road
Buz06 Buz06 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2022
Location: Live Free or Die Land
Posts: 26
Buz06 is on a distinguished road
Mouse?

i wonder if a mouse got into the harness someplace. That can lead to all kinds of strange symptoms. I had a pickup where one got into the under-hood fuse box harness and it was a nightmare to locate, worse to repair.
Buz06 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Reply

Tags
canít , check , climate , control , hours

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Hilux Surf climate control = 4runner climate control? CDNsurf 3rd gen T4Rs 4 02-27-2015 08:27 PM
Help with LED light failure in climate control area 01 4runner jaimie8181 3rd gen T4Rs 5 03-31-2011 10:51 AM
new climate control, will this give me dual climate control? 4Runner8 4th Gen T4Rs 4 10-20-2010 11:33 PM
Auto Climate Control vs. Manual Climate Control JME476 3rd gen T4Rs 2 04-07-2008 01:04 AM
'02 Upgrade standard climate control to auto climate control unit? bradym239 Engines / Suspension / Wheels / Tires / Audio / Accessories 4 06-10-2004 01:37 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:48 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2023, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2023 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2023 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2023 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
***This site is an unofficial Toyota site, and is not officially endorsed, supported, authorized by or affiliated with Toyota. All company, product, or service names references in this web site are used for identification purposes only and may be trademarks of their respective owners. The Toyota name, marks, designs and logos, as well as Toyota model names, are registered trademarks of Toyota Motor Corporation***Ad Management plugin by RedTyger
 
Copyright © 2020