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Old 11-03-2022, 02:11 AM #16
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Glad to see I’m not the only one. This topic should be elevated in the 4runner community so folks who off-road in their runners know to stay far away from SPC junk!!!


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Update: it was the ball joint. Shop said they used to be flawless up until around ‘14 when they changed the design and now apparently they’ve been getting more complaints from people running SPC’s.

Getting a credit towards Icons and will grease them religiously. Hopefully this solves my UCA woes. Aside from that everything about my lift has worked perfectly.


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Update: it was the ball joint. Shop said they used to be flawless up until around ‘14 when they changed the design and now apparently they’ve been getting more complaints from people running SPC’s.

Getting a credit towards Icons and will grease them religiously. Hopefully this solves my UCA woes. Aside from that everything about my lift has worked perfectly.


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You’re not going to like Icons much better friend. Delta Joints are garbage as well. They wear out within a year of hard off-road use. I would just go with a reputable UCA with standard uniballs or a sealed ball joint


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You’re not going to like Icons much better friend. Delta Joints are garbage as well. They wear out within a year of hard off-road use. I would just go with a reputable UCA with standard uniballs or a sealed ball joint


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Man there must be a lot of non-off roaders who would’ve been better with a puck lift out there!

Shame that more people don’t use their runners for what they were designed for. Maybe then the market would shift away from producing Chineseum grade rubbish.


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You’re not going to like Icons much better friend. Delta Joints are garbage as well. They wear out within a year of hard off-road use. I would just go with a reputable UCA with standard uniballs or a sealed ball joint


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Are Total Chaos any better?


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Great videos! Aftermarket UCA’s were needed in my case due to 3” of lift, but my goal is also as little maintenance as possible (don’t have my own garage or space to rip them apart for greasing and what not) so I may just have to budget for bushings and ball joints being more frequent wear items due to off road use.


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Were they ever good? I had some back around 2013ish and threw them away within a year after several upper ball joint problems.

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I've been running TC since getting rid of my SPCs in about 2014. They are trouble free, but require maintenance, of course. I usually replace the uniballs every 18 months or so and have replaced the bushings once in 200k miles.
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Depends on what you prioritize.

Total chaos UCA are made of Chromoly, with built-in or non-adjustable caster and utilizes a uniball. So basically, TC makes well designed and tough UCA.

They do require a bit of maintenance, and if you neglect the maintenance they can get noisy, clunky, and rusty. However, due to the simplicity of their design and the utilization of a uniball, they have probably the lowest failure rate when compared to all the other UCA's out there.
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Deciding between Dirt King, TC and Icons. I still don’t give these companies a pass for selling cheaply made crap though. With all the modern engineering tech in 2022 there should be no reason they can’t engineer a maintenance free UCA with ball joints and bushings that last at least 50k miles. Even with off road use.


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Deciding between Dirt King, TC and Icons. I still don’t give these companies a pass for selling cheaply made crap though. With all the modern engineering tech in 2022 there should be no reason they can’t engineer a maintenance free UCA with ball joints and bushings that last at least 50k miles. Even with off road use.


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It’s all about compromises and setting reasonable expectations.

Nah this is just companies getting away with crap because they can. There’s more than enough of a market for folks who need UCA’s for their lifts and who don’t want/can’t pull them apart for maintenance aside from pumping grease into a zerk. I don’t buy that for a second.

Hopefully more folks end up in my position so we can light a fire under their money hungry behinds.


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Deciding between Dirt King, TC and Icons. I still don’t give these companies a pass for selling cheaply made crap though. With all the modern engineering tech in 2022 there should be no reason they can’t engineer a maintenance free UCA with ball joints and bushings that last at least 50k miles. Even with off road use.
I posted what I went with earlier in this thread and think this might be what your looking for. They are made in Australia. Aftermarket Upper Control Arms - Why You Need Them | Happy Go Travel
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I posted what I went with earlier in this thread and think this might be what your looking for. They are made in Australia. Aftermarket Upper Control Arms - Why You Need Them | Happy Go Travel

I’ll need a shop to install them and I don’t know of any that install parts they don’t sell.


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