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Lasfit 3" LED Pod Ditch Light Kit (and Ditch Light Options Overview)

TLDR: The Lasfit 3" LED pods hit the sweet spot in regards to cost and performance. Follow along with this thread as I test the Lasfit ditch light kit.

General Ditch Light Research and Information
Upgrading the headlights and fog lights on the 4Runner are certainly the easiest and best bang for your buck but sometimes you want/need more light. I started by upgrading the fog lights to Diode Dynamics SS3 (amber), the high beams to Xenon Depot LED bulbs, and the low beams to the new Lasfit Pro Series kit (see my other thread on those here: New/Updated Lasfit Pro-T4 Headlight Bulb Kit (And Headlight Options Overview)). The combination of those upgrades definitely improved the night time driving experience but there is always room for more light!
The most common ways to add exterior forward lighting are light bars and light pods. Both can be mounted in various locations on the front of the 4Runner (including in the grille, on the roof, and on the hood) and each has a particular purpose. For the sake of this post, I will focus on ditch lights, which are most commonly pod lights mounted to the hood at the base of the windshield, but eventually I would like to have a combination of light bars and light pods in different locations to round out my lighting. My low beams and high beams provide adequate forward lighting for street use but I find they are not as wide as I'd like. The fog lights have a wider spread but they do not illuminate as far away from the 4Runner. Ditch lights were my solution to fill these dark areas.

Ditch lights can be extremely versatile, depending on which beam pattern you choose and the direction you orient them. Although they were originally intended to light up ditches on the side of the road with a flood pattern, some owners choose to aim them straight forward with a spot pattern. Others choose to aim them sideways for scene lighting at a campsite. The possibilities seem endless and you can customize them to your needs.
Mounting ditch lights has become fairly standardized for the 4Runner. There are several companies making brackets that attach to the underside of the hood using the factory mounting hardware. Choosing a bracket is a matter of preference and style. Most are low profile and can accommodate most light pods. The only word of caution with installation is to watch the hood alignment, but there are plenty of videos online to help with the install.
Choosing a pod light to use as a ditch light depends on several factors: beam pattern, color, pod size, and price.

1. Beam Pattern - Pod lights come in many different beam patterns, from flood/scene, to spot, and even fog patterns. Flood patterns typically throw light in all directions but do not illuminate objects far in the distance. Spot lights typically produce a localized beam of light to illuminate objects in the distance. Your choice will depend on your specific needs but most manufacturers provide a visual of the beam patterns (either photo or diagram) to help make the decision.
2. Color - Most pod lights can be purchased in either clear/white, yellow, or amber. Just like fog lights, the choice comes down to environment and how you will use the lights. White light (or clear lens) will be the typical choice for most. If you frequently find yourself in dusty environments or traveling through snow storms, a yellow or amber color will probably be a better choice. Some manufacturers even sell replacement lenses to change the color as your needs change.
3. Size - The most popular light pod size is a 3" round or square pod. Some manufacturers have begun to sell smaller and larger pods depending on your needs. Although the larger pods tend to produce more light, they also will block your visibility when mounted as a ditch light. This should be a major consideration when choosing a ditch light and I would not recommend anything larger than a 3" pod (unless you are willing to sacrifice visibility).
4. Price - Prices for ditch lights can vary significantly. You can choose to purchase a cheap Amazon LED light pod but you will need to source a separate ditch light bracket and wiring harness. The beam patterns from these cheap light pods is inconsistent and reviews seem to be split on quality and life span. There are also very expensive light pod options (costing over $650 for a single LED pod), which I'm sure produce a ton of light but are probably better suited for bumper mounting where they don't block windshield visibility. Several manufacturers have also begun to sell ditch light kits which include the brackets, pod lights, and wiring harness. These are probably the best bang for your buck when choosing ditch lights.

Lasfit 3" LED Pod Ditch Light Kit
I was honestly torn between adding a light bar or ditch lights but Lasfit made the decision easier because they provided me an offer to test their ditch light kit. I probably would have gone with Lasfit regardless, after seeing their performance with my low beam headlight bulbs. I have been very happy with their products so far so this was a logical choice.
Everything you need to get up and running with your new ditch lights is included if you purchase the kit (link below to the ditch light kit product page). I chose to go with the 18W driving pattern in white for my needs. Here are a few notes that helped me come to my decisions:

1. Driving Pattern - Lasfit does a great job explaining the different beam patterns on the ditch light product page. They have options for flood, fog, spot, and driving. I wanted ditch lights to compliment my high beams by increasing the width of light so the driving pattern seemed to fit the bill perfectly. As I mentioned above, you should consider your intended use when choosing a beam pattern.
2. White Color - This was a more difficult decision to make because I do find myself driving through inclement weather quite often. The yellow lens might be more suited for this purpose but I think the ditch lights will be used more with my high beams (which are white). Luckily, if I decide I want to change to yellow or amber, the lenses are interchangeable and it should be fairly easy to swap them out. I'll probably make that decision after testing in the snow.
3. 18W Series - Lasfit offers two different power levels for their ditch light kits, 18W and 36W. These seem to correlate directly with the Diode Dynamics Sport and Pro offerings (for those more familiar with those). In the ditch light location, I think the 18W version should be adequate, especially if you are aiming them facing directly forward because they will inevitably bounce light off the hood. Lasfit also uses TIR (Total Internal Reflection) optics which should efficiently focus all of the light per the beam pattern you choose. I'm hoping the TIR optics help me get the maximum light from the 18W version I got but I would probably splurge for the 36W if the $120 price difference isn't a concern. Regardless, the 18W is a great option for the budget conscious.
4. 3" Pod - I was originally planning to purchase a 2"x3" pod (similar to the Diode Dynamics SSC2 or Baja Designs S2) for the ditch light location to keep as much visibility through the windshield as possible. After researching more, it seems the 3" pod size doesn't impact visibility too much but I definitely would not go larger. I'll plan to follow up with my observations on visibility as I continue live with them.

Lasfit 3" LED Pod Ditch Light Kit for 4Runner - Driving pattern:
3" LED Pod Ditch Light Kit for 2014-2022 Toyota 4Runner | LASFIT

Initial Impressions
Lasfit seems to do a fantastic job at packaging their products. The kit came in three separate boxes; one for the pod lights, another for the harness, and a third for the brackets. It was shipped via USPS priority mail and arrived just a couple days after receiving the shipping number. Upon unboxing the kit, everything seemed to be of high quality materials. The pods themselves have some weight and everything is finished in black (including the hardware). They even provided Allen wrenches to mount the pods and swap the lenses.

Install was fairly straightforward. There are several videos on Youtube showing the step by step process, but as mentioned before, be careful with the hood alignment. The hardest part of the install was fishing the wires through the firewall. I found it easiest to de-pin the white connector and feed the wires through the grommet without the connector. One very nice feature is the hex bolt holder on the pod "U" bracket. These hold the top of the hex bolts while you tighten the nut on the bottom (see photo below for clarification).
Two notes on the wiring harness:
1. It appears to be a generic wiring harness for many different applications. The length of wire from the relay to the positive and negative terminals was not long enough to mount the relay behind the fuse box. I had to settle for putting it next to the battery (between the battery and the fender). This might bot be a concern for most but it would be nice to have just a bit more slack to locate the harness.
2. The switch provided has two LEDs (red and green) to indicate if the ditch lights are on or off. Unfortunately, the red light stays on even if the vehicle is not running. This might not be an issue if you daily drive the vehicle but I'm concerned it will drain the battery if the vehicle is not driven for a week or two. I have been removing the in line fuse for the time being but I plan to swap the switch eventually.

Onto my initial thoughts on the lights themselves. I have the 18W Sport series which is the lower output option but I find them to be super bright regardless. It is a night and day difference when turning them on. They compliment my high beams perfectly and add to the width as intended. The color/temperature is almost a perfect match to my high beams but the Lasfit pods are slightly more blue (cooler) compared to the Xenon Depot high beam LED bulbs. Not a major concern for me and it is not noticeable in photos. Comparing to my Diode Dynamics SS3 Max fog lights, I am pleasantly surprised. They are definitely not an apples to apples comparison but I am impressed with how much light the Lasfit pods put out. The SS3 Max fog lights are brighter but they are also amber/yellow and shine straight to the ground. The Lasfit pods do a fantastic job shining light into the distance where I need it. For a "budget" pod light, these can definitely keep up with the heavy hitters and I'm curious how much brighter the HP series is in comparison.

A few additional noteworthy items:
1. The pod housing has a nice "hood" that extends from the top. It might protect the lens slightly while the vehicle is stationary but I can't see it doing much while moving. Although, I do think it provides a nice visual compared to other pod light offerings.
2. The Deutsch style connectors are a very nice touch and exude quality. The kit also includes Deutsch pig tails if you prefer to wire them yourself.
3. The 3" pod is definitely the biggest pod I would put in the ditch light location. These do block some visibility through the windshield and I would probably opt for a smaller pod if I were to start over. The compromise would of course be light output and these certainly shine more light than a smaller pod! I will follow up with a post in the future noting how badly these impact visibility while driving.
4. The Lasfit hood bracket seems to have a nice powder coated finish but they are ultimately a mild steel bracket. I am concerned about rust, especially here in the northeast. The majority of alternatives are also steel but it is always a concern in the rust belt. But Lasfit does appear to do a good job powder coating them to inhibit rust.

Overall, I think this is a fantastic kit, especially for the price. The Diode Dynamics SS3 Max fog lights are definitely brighter but they also cost much much more. You can purchase the Lasfit pods (with a harness!) for less than 1/3 the cost of the SS3 Max (without a harness). This is a fantastic kit for anyone looking to add ditch lights or any other pod lighting.


I will update this thread in the future with additional thoughts as I live with the kit but feel free to post any questions in the meantime. And finally, here are some photos:

Three individual boxes:


Contents of boxes:


Hood brackets:


Pod lights and hardware (notice the additional pig tail connectors that can be used to wire the lights yourself):


Black hardware (this was a nice touch to keep the entire install stealth):


Pod "U" bracket hex bolt holder (holds the bolt while installing the nut under the hood bracket):


Harness (notice the white connector which I had to de-pin to fit through the firewall):


Harness switch (notice the two LED lights; one light is always on regardless if the vehicle is on or off):


Ditch lights installed:


Low beams and ditch lights:


Ditch lights only:


High beams and ditch lights:


All lights on (Lasfit ditch lights, Lasfit Pro low beams, Xenon Depot high beams, Diode Dynamics SS3 Max Fog):


Low beams, fogs, and ditch lights:

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interesting write up. lasfit does offer some good products for the price. here are a couple thoughts I'll share that I accumulated while installing my ditch lights (not lasfit but still applicable)

- I chose an aluminum bracket because like you rust is a concern for me. Canadians, greenlane offroad has these. they are pretty stout. is the mounting hardware stainless steel? it looks like mild steel black oxide. this would be an upgrade I think lasfit should make. stainless steel mounting hardware (excluding the bracket). stainless steel is becoming the standard especially when water and elements are in play
- does lasfit make any covers for lenses? I have white with amber cover from another brand. keep the cover on all the time, if I need white, just take off the cover. sure the cover reduces light output a bit, but it's not significant and worth the tradeoff for me anyway
- I hated de-pinning my wiring harness to feed it through the firewall. I simply just cut both ends of the harness at the white connector and connected the appropriate wires together permanently. made my life easier
- looks like lasfit also includes a relay (good job lasfit), dont run ditch lights without one with aftermarket switch. I see a lot of confusion about this but you NEED a relay, always. bolted my relay to where fuse box bolts to fender
- how low profile are the brackets?
- these harnesses often don't have a long enough red wire for a nice and tidy install, doesn't really matter on the brand, all seem that way. I extended mine a bit, should be 16ga wire

question to the OP. do you plan to run an aftermarket switch for the lights. if you do or did, it would be helpful for people to know what wires are coming off the toggle (2 or 3, what colours, etc.) does lasfit include a wiring diagram for aftermarket switches. the lights themselves do look pretty nice though
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interesting write up. lasfit does offer some good products for the price. here are a couple thoughts I'll share that I accumulated while installing my ditch lights (not lasfit but still applicable)

- I chose an aluminum bracket because like you rust is a concern for me. Canadians, greenlane offroad has these. they are pretty stout. is the mounting hardware stainless steel? it looks like mild steel black oxide. this would be an upgrade I think lasfit should make. stainless steel mounting hardware (excluding the bracket). stainless steel is becoming the standard especially when water and elements are in play
- does lasfit make any covers for lenses? I have white with amber cover from another brand. keep the cover on all the time, if I need white, just take off the cover. sure the cover reduces light output a bit, but it's not significant and worth the tradeoff for me anyway
- I hated de-pinning my wiring harness to feed it through the firewall. I simply just cut both ends of the harness at the white connector and connected the appropriate wires together permanently. made my life easier
- looks like lasfit also includes a relay (good job lasfit), dont run ditch lights without one with aftermarket switch. I see a lot of confusion about this but you NEED a relay, always. bolted my relay to where fuse box bolts to firewall
- how low profile are the brackets?
- these harnesses often don't have a long enough red wire for a nice and tidy install, doesn't really matter on the brand, all seem that way. I extended mine a bit, should be 16ga wire

question to the OP. do you plan to run an aftermarket switch for the lights. if you do or did, it would be helpful for people to know what wires are coming off the toggle (2 or 3, what colours, etc.) does lasfit include a wiring diagram for aftermarket switches. the lights themselves do look pretty nice though
Just to follow up on your list. My bullets correspond to yours in order:
- I agree, an aluminum bracket would be preferable in the northeast (and Canada), unfortunately, they cost a pretty penny. I do like the design of the Greenlane brackets (only using one bolt) but I think most will find the Lasfit brackets sufficient, especially since it all comes nicely packaged as a kit.
I can't comment on the material of the fasteners but I expect they are just black coated steel. I will certainly follow up if I notice any corrosion on the hardware.
- I don't think Lasfit offers covers for their 3" pods but the lens is interchangeable to either yellow or amber. There are 4 Allen head screws holding the lens and I'm sure it's a fairly simple change (I might test this in he future if I determine a yellow/amber lens would be more beneficial for my use). Definitely not as simple as removing a cover but I don't see myself needing to change too often. I will certainly update this thread if I decide to swap the lens. Maybe Lasfit will also chime in if they have plans to develop covers.
- De-pinning the connector was definitely not fun. I used a paperclip (a sewing needle might be better) but my large hands were not conducive to the task. Cutting and splicing wires is definitely an option but it becomes a permanent connection and doesn't allow flexibility if you need to move/untangle wiring behind the dash (AMHIK).
-Agreed, a relay is necessary for any off road lighting. Unfortunately, the Lasfit harness doesn't have enough slack for the relay to reach the firewall (I assume its a generic harness they use for multiple applications as you noted in your last bullet).
- The hood brackets are definitely "low profile". I'd say they are on par with the other low profile brackets on the market (at least what I've seen photographed on this forum). I'll take some daytime photos for my next update.

I am still looking into different switch options but will certainly update this thread once I figure it out. The harness did not come with a wiring diagram but there are only 3 wires at the switch (red, black, yellow), shouldn't be too difficult to figure out. I assume the black is ground so figuring out which is power and which is trigger should be as simple as using a multimeter.
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Just to follow up on your list. My bullets correspond to yours in order:
- I agree, an aluminum bracket would be preferable in the northeast (and Canada), unfortunately, they cost a pretty penny. I do like the design of the Greenlane brackets (only using one bolt) but I think most will find the Lasfit brackets sufficient, especially since it all comes nicely packaged as a kit.
I can't comment on the material of the fasteners but I expect they are just black coated steel. I will certainly follow up if I notice any corrosion on the hardware.
- I don't think Lasfit offers covers for their 3" pods but the lens is interchangeable to either yellow or amber. There are 4 Allen head screws holding the lens and I'm sure it's a fairly simple change (I might test this in he future if I determine a yellow/amber lens would be more beneficial for my use). Definitely not as simple as removing a cover but I don't see myself needing to change too often. I will certainly update this thread if I decide to swap the lens. Maybe Lasfit will also chime in if they have plans to develop covers.
- De-pinning the connector was definitely not fun. I used a paperclip (a sewing needle might be better) but my large hands were not conducive to the task. Cutting and splicing wires is definitely an option but it becomes a permanent connection and doesn't allow flexibility if you need to move/untangle wiring behind the dash (AMHIK).
-Agreed, a relay is necessary for any off road lighting. Unfortunately, the Lasfit harness doesn't have enough slack for the relay to reach the firewall (I assume its a generic harness they use for multiple applications as you noted in your last bullet).
- The hood brackets are definitely "low profile". I'd say they are on par with the other low profile brackets on the market (at least what I've seen photographed on this forum). I'll take some daytime photos for my next update.

I am still looking into different switch options but will certainly update this thread once I figure it out. The harness did not come with a wiring diagram but there are only 3 wires at the switch (red, black, yellow), shouldn't be too difficult to figure out. I assume the black is ground so figuring out which is power and which is trigger should be as simple as using a multimeter.
thanks for the reply. I made a typo. I meant to say I attached my relay to where the fuse box bolts to the fender, not firewall
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TLDR: OEM style switch wiring -> Yellow harness wire to Green switch wire. Red harness wire to Red1 switch wire. Black harness wire to black switch wire. (Red2 unused). Yellow on the harness is always hot, red is the trigger wire, and black is ground.

Switch Update:
I had a spare switch from another project I didn't use yet so I decided to try wiring it up. Most aftermarket OEM style switches use the same connector with different wire colors. I'll reference the colors in the diagram below but similar switches should have the same wire functions (my switch wire colors were actually different but the wires correspond to the same location on the connector).
The Lasfit harness has three wires that come into the dash area (Yellow, Red, and Black). The Yellow wire is constant power from the battery (always hot). The Red wire is the trigger wire that goes into the relay to trigger the lights to come on. The Black wire is the ground (pretty standard). I confirmed the Yellow power wire with a multimeter but you can also see it connecting with the wire from the battery at the base of the relay (see photo below). Once you know this and understand how the OEM style switches are wired, it should be fairly simple (let me know if I should do a separate post on OEM style switch wiring).

Here is how I connected the switch:

Yellow from the Lasfit harness to Green on with switch (first wire)
Red from the Lasfit harness to Red1 on the switch (second wire)
Black from the Lasfit harness to Black on the switch (fourth wire)
I did not use the Red2 wire on the switch (third wire) but it can be combined with the Red1 wire (second wire) to illuminate the entire switch when the ditch lights are on

These connections allow the switch to illuminate when the ditch lights are on and it is not illuminated when the ditch lights are off. I am more confident that this setup will not drain the battery, but make sure you don't leave them on when the vehicle is off (the ditch lights can be used even if the vehicle is off if using this wiring).
Hopefully this helps those with similar concerns. Here is the diagram and a photo of the relay wiring:

Typical OEM style switch wiring diagram (most aftermarket switches are the same with different color wires):


Here is a picture of the relay. I colored the section running to the interior in purple (this is the three wires, yellow, red, and black). The green arrow shows the red trigger wire going into the relay. The blue arrow shows the yellow power wire combining with the wire from the battery at the base of the relay.
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4+ Month Review
I’ve been running the Lasfit ditch light kit for over 4 months at this point and it has been working out well. As a reminder, my intended use for these is to supplement my high beams. Over this time period, I have noted a few things (both good and bad) that I’ll share in the list below:

1. Visibility/Field-of-View - I was concerned about the 3” pods blocking visibility from the windshield but I honestly have gotten used to them. They are noticeable from the interior but they don’t impact daily driving since you are primarily looking forward (straight out). You may notice them more while making tight maneuvers or driving between objects (between tight trees) but that would be the case with any ditch light. A shorter 2” pod might provide slightly better field of view but I’m sure it will compromise on light output (see point 4 below).
2. Wind Noise - I honestly don’t notice any additional wind noise since installing these. They might produce some but it’s not noticeable over the wind noise from my roof rack or the slight hum of my AT tires. If your 4runner is completely stock, you may experience some additional wind noise but if you have any other modifications, these will likely not add any noise.
3. Water Infiltration - I have not noticed any condensation in the pods. The seal appears to be doing its job well.
4. Light Output - As mentioned above, these supplement my high beams and I think they do it well. The high beams shine light straight on and these fill in the sides to produce probably a 120+ degree spread of light. It’s great having the additional wide high beams, especially on dark country roads that have lots of turns. The added width illuminates the road ahead before making the turn. These are the 18W version and I think they are more than enough for my needs. I’m definitely curious to compare these to the higher power version but I’m sure most people will be happy with the 18W.
5. Interior Switch - In my previous post, I discussed swapping out the Lasfit switch for an OEM style switch. This was the best decision because I have been using them more since swapping it out. I understand Lasfit’s approach to create a universal wiring harness for the kit (especially if they want to keep it at a certain price point). Changing out the switch was not too difficult but it is something I think was necessary. This is probably my main complaint with the kit but I’m sure it’s justified to keep the price point where it is.

Overall I am very pleased with the Lasfit ditch light kit. Whether you are looking for actual ditch lights or to supplement your high beams, I’m sure this kit will do the job.
My next plans with the kit is to somehow integrate the wiring harness into the high beam harness. I’d like to be able to control the ditch lights and my high beams (in the headlights) with the turn-signal stall, but I would also like to keep the ditch lights on the separate switch for anytime use. It’s not currently the highest priority but if anyone has ideas or wiring diagrams that would be helpful, please pass them along.
I will plan to follow up with more updates on this in the future.
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1.5 Year Update

I've had the Lasfit ditch light kit installed for a year and 9 months now and figured it is a good time to post an update. The lights have been great so far but I have had one issue to update on. The following will summarize my thoughts and observations with this kit:

1. Light Output - The LED pods have been great. Although they are the 18W version (not the high powered 36W version), the light output has been ample. I still have them aimed up and out to widen my high beam pattern. The driving pattern provides the perfect distribution for this purpose. They pretty much match (or maybe even slightly outperform) my LED high beams but they provide a much wider coverage. These were exactly what I needed to improve the field of view of the high beams.

2. Quality - The light pods themselves have held up very well. I believe they are constructed of aluminum and the housings look almost new. Even the lens appears to be in good condition. The only part that has not lasted in the ditch light brackets. I am located in the northeast and the the brackets are constructed of steel. After several months, the steel began to corrode along a few edges and left staining (I wish I took pictures before I swapped them out...). I probably could have sanded and repainted them but I decided to swap them for an aluminum set of brackets. I wish Lasfit made the brackets out of aluminum or stainless steel to prevent that. The hardware also appears to be taking a beating but not to the point I feel the need to swap it out. Be aware of this if you decide to buy the entire kit and live in the northeast. Otherwise, I have no complaints about the pods themselves.

3. Style and Function - The Lasfit pods have a unique look with a slight visor/hood at the top. I have not seen another manufacturer imitate this and I think it looks quite good. The visors do not appear to provide much, if any, protection because rain simply blows onto the face of the pod while driving and most are not using ditch lights in sunlight. But they are unique and give some style to the ditch lights.

4. Visibility - I had mentioned concern in my initial post regarding blocked visibility as a result of the 3" pod. I am happy to report that they have not obstructed my view from the drivers seat in any way. In the beginning, I did notice the pods but they do not obstruct visibility any more than the giant hood of the 4runner. I think these 3" pods are good fit for ditch lights and I would not want to go any larger.

These pods have been great. I am curious how much brighter the 36W version is, but I am fully content with the 18W pods that I have. I think this is a great option for anyone looking to add auxiliary lighting to their 4Runner. My only complaint has been with the ditch light brackets but the pods can be purchased individually as well. The convenience of the ditch light kit is nice, but I would opt for the pods alone, especially living in the northeast. If purchasing individual pods, they can be used in other locations as well, from the roof rack to the bumper. If I find myself needed more pods in the future, I will likely be turning to the Lasfit pods.
I forgot to take output shots but here are a few photos of the pods and their condition after almost 2 years:

Head on shot showing the housing and lens. The visor/hood still looks good.


The black coating on the housing still looks great, even on the thinner rear fins that dissipate heat (excuse the dirty 4Runner, I took these right after the heavy rain).


Here you can see the condition of the side hardware. The black coating is coming off but not enough to bother me for replacement.


This is the bolt through the bottom of the bracket. The Lasfit ditch light brackets looked very similar to this and that is the reason I changed them out.
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