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Getting your ten monthly miles in 4x4 is easy if you have maintained dirt roads around your area. I live in an area where dirt roads outnumber paved ones, though my road is paved. Any time I go down a dirt road, I put my ‘18 SR5 in 4HI just to keep the shifting mechanisms limber and the greases and oils doing their job. And with winter weather here, the truck is in 4WD more than 2WD anyways due to snow, ice and mud.
If you have the J gate lever transfer case shifter (TRD models) grinding just happens occasionally. No worries. My SR5 has the electronic dial shifter, but before my T4R I had a ‘02 Tacoma TRD Off Road. I’d grind gears now and then. The same with all my previous 4x4 trucks all the way back to my 1970 Ford F250 4x4. The Tacoma went to my grandson when I got the T4R and it is still going strong at over 225,000 miles with no repairs.
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So gear grinding doesn't damage the gears?
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12-01-2022, 08:09 AM
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Well neither system literally locks all four wheels together, what happens is there are two drive shafts, one going to the rear axle and one to the front axle. With the part-time system, you normally operate in 2WD and thus have just the rear driveshaft turning and delivering power to the rear axle. When 4Hi is engaged, the transfer case connects the front driveshaft and rear driveshsfts together via a chain so they both rotate together. Whereas with the full-time system on the Limited, the front and rear driveshafts are always engaged, but there is a center differential separating them that allows them to rotate independently of one another. Locking this differential creates the same effect as the part-time system and in both cases, since the driveshafts are locked together, it is bad to be on bare pavement if making turns as it will strain the drivetrain components. However, both axles have differentials that allow each wheel to still turn independently of the opposite wheel on that axle, so all four wheels aren't per se locked together. To lock them, you'd need locking differentials. Off-Road trim 4Runners come with a rear locker and all 4Runners have the A-trac system which simulates lockers via the braking system.
AWD generally means an active system that actively transfers torque to different wheels depending on how much grip each wheel has. Full-time 4WD is different from AWD. Automatic 4WD is also not the same as AWD.
The 4Runner is very unique in that it sort of has a combination 4WD/AWD system as the A-trac operates like a form of AWD system, except a locked center differential or conventional transfer case locks both axles together.
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True dat, was just trying to keep it simple on difference and why bad on pavement
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12-01-2022, 01:06 PM
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So gear grinding doesn't damage the gears?
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If you're trying to make a song out of it, yes there will eventually be some damage. A quick grind will not cause any real damage.
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I don't think there are any syncro's in there so things will always be a little crunchy. I'm also pretty certain you won't hurt anything unless you are really being abusive. I'm fortunate that the local dirt road I use for monthly 4 lo is a slight incline and sometimes it helps things mesh when I slowly roll a little backwards in neutral waiting for the blinking to stop.
By the way congratulations on actually reading the owner's manual. Seems like a lot of people do not and they really are very useful.
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Hopefully someone with more knowledge of our Transfer Case will step in...
In the meantime, I think the Hi and Lo gears in the transfer Case are a dog ring type and not synchromesh. So, the system can't synchronize the two speeds and will "grind" if not matched. This is why you need to come to a stop and be in neutral to shift from 4Hi to 4Lo and vice versa.
Either way whether our Transfer case is dog ring or synchromesh, the "grinding" isn't the actual gears, it's the dog teeth on the synchro. These teeth are very robust and made to withstand many screw ups.
So, you are fine, just try not to do it again and again.
Dog ring gearbox explained!
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12-01-2022, 09:03 PM
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So gear grinding doesn't damage the gears?
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Like others have said quite well, no. Unless you keep on shoving the lever and making it scream.
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12-01-2022, 09:19 PM
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I have a Limited with AWD but have not used 4 lock or 4 low yet at 21k miles. Should I start now or don’t start because I’ve gone so long?
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12-01-2022, 09:33 PM
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I have a Limited with AWD but have not used 4 lock or 4 low yet at 21k miles. Should I start now or don’t start because I’ve gone so long?
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Start now. It’s not critical like changing your engine oil, but it helps to exercise the systems actuators, sensors, and mechanisms now and again. It also gives you confidence that when you do actually need it, it will work.
I also drive a limited. You can switch from unlocked to locked and back while driving along mostly straight road. For the low gear I found some gravel roads that are miles long in the mtns nearby.
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I've aggravated my 2011 by shifting into drive before 4Lo has been fully engaged. I've done it a few times by accident. It grinds like crazy and definitely lets me know it's not happy. No issues at all and has engaged fine after.
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12-05-2022, 04:01 AM
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Start now. It’s not critical like changing your engine oil, but it helps to exercise the systems actuators, sensors, and mechanisms now and again. It also gives you confidence that when you do actually need it, it will work.
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Another reason I've read to engage 4WD systems, at least part-time systems in general, is to rotate the gears in the front differential because the differential is half full of gear oil and so the half of the gears that sit exposed can start to rust. I've read that on the 4Runner the hubs are bolted to the axle, so the differential gears, or at least the spindle gears in the front differential, rotate even while in 2WD so long as the front wheels roll.
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You talking about the TRD manual shifter or the electric dial on SR5? Manual shifter definitely doesn't like hanging in neutral since the transmissions output somehow spins the input shaft to the transfer case and then you'll grind.
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I am speaking of the electronic dial on limited....
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It's part of the 4LO driving experience
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So I did something stupid, kinda-sorta. Don't think I damaged anything but just want to make sure. I had the vehicle in 4Hi and was pulling into a parking space, making a sharp left. The parking lot was icy and snowy so I thought the wheels had plenty of slippage, but at this one particular spot, apparently not. So I was turning slowly (to the left) but it was like the front left wheel had too much grip, sort of jammed, then did a big hop/skip. I know you can break like a U-joint (?) or something if you make a sharp turn with too much resistance, just want to make sure I didn't do that? I am assuming no because I didn't hear anything snap.
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So I did something stupid, kinda-sorta. Don't think I damaged anything but just want to make sure. I had the vehicle in 4Hi and was pulling into a parking space, making a sharp left. The parking lot was icy and snowy so I thought the wheels had plenty of slippage, but at this one particular spot, apparently not. So I was turning slowly (to the left) but it was like the front left wheel had too much grip, sort of jammed, then did a big hop/skip. I know you can break like a U-joint (?) or something if you make a sharp turn with too much resistance, just want to make sure I didn't do that? I am assuming no because I didn't hear anything snap.
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It's fine. I thought we bought Toyotas for their ruggedness and reliability?
But why would you use 4wd for a parking spot?
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02-05-2023, 12:34 PM
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So I did something stupid, kinda-sorta. Don't think I damaged anything but just want to make sure. I had the vehicle in 4Hi and was pulling into a parking space, making a sharp left. The parking lot was icy and snowy so I thought the wheels had plenty of slippage, but at this one particular spot, apparently not. So I was turning slowly (to the left) but it was like the front left wheel had too much grip, sort of jammed, then did a big hop/skip. I know you can break like a U-joint (?) or something if you make a sharp turn with too much resistance, just want to make sure I didn't do that? I am assuming no because I didn't hear anything snap.
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Thats the vehicles way of telling you to stop doing what you're doing. In a T4R Limited, the amount of time you'd need to be in 4 High Locked (H4L) is incredibly rare, except when maybe driving on heavily slippery roads. The Limited is amazing is the majority of conditions in H4F.
H4L locks your centre differential so equal power is being sent to both the front and rear axle. This is great is terrible weather conditions (poorly maintained roads, snowy mountain passes, etc) but should not be used when in areas where tight turns are needed.
H4F still drives both front and rear axles on the Limited but allows them to turn at different speeds so you don't experience the binding you referenced when turning sharply.
As a reference, I live in a place where driving in whiteout conditions with deep snow are common. When I had my Limited, it would possibly see H4L once or twice a winter if there was a particularly large snowfall, but for 95% of my daily driving H4F was fine. Now that I drive a Trd OffRoad, i'm in 2WD for 90% of the winter for daily driving and only use 4WD for snow large snowfall events.
.... now when I go off roading its a completely different story.
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