12-01-2022, 09:16 AM
|
#1
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Castle Rock, CO
Posts: 761
|
|
Member
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Castle Rock, CO
Posts: 761
|
Coilover suspension that holds up well to road salt and winter
I am looking at possibly upgrading from 5100's and OME springs as my rig has more weight now and I am taking it to harsher areas. Since the roads get salted/brined in winter here in CO, I am trying to find options that will hold up to road salt better as I do most of my offroad activities in the winter. Most likely aluminum options and I want it to be fully adjustable with a 700lb front spring option.
Options I know of:
OME BP-51
Elka 2.5
Something else I am hoping they release is the Fox Performance Elite line for the 4runner, but that has not been announced at all yet. It seems like Elka does not have an extended travel option, and I am not sure about the BP-51's.
Are there any other aluminum options? And how do King/Fox 2.5 hold up to road salt/winter?
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
12-01-2022, 09:52 AM
|
#2
|
|
Senior Member
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: illinois
Posts: 1,609
Real Name: Ron
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: illinois
Posts: 1,609
Real Name: Ron
|
Painted shocks will probably hold up better than the aluminum. If you watch "Tinkerer's Adventure" on youtube about Ironman shocks you will hear/see his discussion and see his corroded aluminum shocks. He lives in northeast.
__________________
2003 Limited, V8, AWD. 4600 Bils/FJ springs, 1/2" spacer, SPC UCA, Super Pro bushings in front LCA and in all rear control arms, Michelin 265/65R17 LTX/Defenders, stock wheels with homemade center caps, Stop Tech slotted rotors w/Posi Quiet pads all around.
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
12-01-2022, 12:07 PM
|
#3
|
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Boise
Posts: 163
|
|
Member
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Boise
Posts: 163
|
I went with the Ironman Foam Cell Pro. No regrets. Kept stock ride height with stock springs. Wait for a 25% off sale and be sure to get the tool to adjust/ rebuild them. Should set you back about 1100 for front and back.
Certainly less expensive options out there but not if you want to be able to rebuild or change valving.
__________________
2016 TEP, KDSS, ALPRO Apex Sliders, Focal IS690TOY, Old Red's Accessory Meter Display Mod , Rear Differential Breather Mod, Radium Fuel Surge Tank, URD Supercharger , Ironman FCP shocks
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
12-05-2022, 08:39 AM
|
#4
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Castle Rock, CO
Posts: 761
|
|
Member
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Castle Rock, CO
Posts: 761
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by rdruss
Painted shocks will probably hold up better than the aluminum. If you watch "Tinkerer's Adventure" on youtube about Ironman shocks you will hear/see his discussion and see his corroded aluminum shocks. He lives in northeast.
|
Thanks for mentioning that video as it was overall very interesting and informative. I don't know how all his shocks are that rusted(though none of those are aluminum). My 5100's are almost 5 yrs old now and actually have no rust at all just some black tarnishing on them. Maybe I may even be fine with non-aluminum shocks like fox 2.5 w/ resis since apparently my road salt conditions must not be as bad or I just keep them cleaner?
The ironman shocks look good, but not sure if they would be as durable as some of the higher performance type shocks. After this hunting season i want to up my durability as I plan to take my 4runner and push it harder offroad. One of the guys I went with has a ram 3500, got stuck and his front driveshaft snapped on both ends and fell out lol.
The combination of wanting to increase durability and my increased weight is pushing me to upgrade since I think I am approaching the limit of the 5100's. I have an SSO Rack, RTT when camping, dual batteries, magnuson, fridge in the back, warn bumper with 12k winch, RSG Sliders and RSG full armor(on order). I don't think the 5100's can handle OME 2886 springs+harder wheeling.
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
12-06-2022, 07:03 AM
|
#5
|
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Kilingworth, CT
Age: 59
Posts: 614
|
|
Member
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Kilingworth, CT
Age: 59
Posts: 614
|
I called Fox regarding the issue of corrosion, and they recommended a product called Steel It be sprayed on the springs and bodies. It’s a spray paint with stainless steel particles in it, which is better than regular paint products for corrosion.
I also top coated with CRC corrosion inhibitor, which is a waxy coating.
I disassembled the coil overs when new before install, coated with 3 coats of steel it, and 1 good coat of CRC and reassembled.
Be careful with how much steel it you put on the threaded area, it will be difficult to turn the spring perch if you put more that 2 light coats. I used more CRC in this area as top coat.
Both seem to be working well for me so far.
- Mark
__________________
2019 TRD OffRoad - Fox w/Resi, 650lb Springs, JBA HD UCA, T12 Rear Springs w/DS 5mm Spacer, Odyssey 34R-PC1500T AGM w/Diode Upgrade and CTEK Monitor, NOCO battery charger wired to external port for shore power, Rago Hidden Winch Plate, Comeup Seal 9.5 RSI, RCI Sliders/ Skids, 285/70-17 Cooper AT3 XLT on Fuel Rims, Various LED upgrades, OE Engine Heater w/External Port, XenonDepot Low Beam HID & LED 3k Fogs, ScanGauge, Midland GMRS, Accessory Mount for iPad, mike and Inreach, iKamper Mini 3.0, Custom Kitchen/Cargo system, ARB 50Q, Goose Gear dual drawer, Wilco Solo Tire/Hilift/RotoPax Carrier.
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
12-06-2022, 08:40 AM
|
#6
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Castle Rock, CO
Posts: 761
|
|
Member
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Castle Rock, CO
Posts: 761
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greydog
I called Fox regarding the issue of corrosion, and they recommended a product called Steel It be sprayed on the springs and bodies. It’s a spray paint with stainless steel particles in it, which is better than regular paint products for corrosion.
I also top coated with CRC corrosion inhibitor, which is a waxy coating.
I disassembled the coil overs when new before install, coated with 3 coats of steel it, and 1 good coat of CRC and reassembled.
Be careful with how much steel it you put on the threaded area, it will be difficult to turn the spring perch if you put more that 2 light coats. I used more CRC in this area as top coat.
Both seem to be working well for me so far.
- Mark
|
Thanks. I have seen steel-it before but was hoping not to take brand new parts and paint over them. I was also thinking of maybe just spraying them with one of those top coat protective products as well but not sure how they hold up really.
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
12-06-2022, 09:01 AM
|
#7
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: NY, FL
Posts: 572
|
|
Member
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: NY, FL
Posts: 572
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdm-v35
Thanks. I have seen steel-it before but was hoping not to take brand new parts and paint over them. I was also thinking of maybe just spraying them with one of those top coat protective products as well but not sure how they hold up really.
|
id install, spray em with crc or fluid film and do it on an annual basis. just dont powerwash them unless you want to strip the coating and re-apply.
__________________
Cement, RCI Skids & Sliders, Nitto Ridge Grappler, Northstar AGM, Goose Gear Plate, Dometic CFX 65W, Dometic Fridge Slide, BPF Molle Panel, Pedal Commander, Compustar, BlackVue, Diode Dynamics SS3
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
12-06-2022, 09:18 AM
|
#8
|
|
Senior Member
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: illinois
Posts: 1,609
Real Name: Ron
|
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: illinois
Posts: 1,609
Real Name: Ron
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdm-v35
Thanks. I have seen steel-it before but was hoping not to take brand new parts and paint over them. I was also thinking of maybe just spraying them with one of those top coat protective products as well but not sure how they hold up really.
|
I agree, I sprayed my painted Bil 4600's with clear coat and then every spring remove wheels and hand wipe down the springs/shocks, LCA and UCA with a damp wash rag after a trip to the car wash where I blow off the undercarriage. Also, do the inside of your wheel rims, wash them out good as brake dust and salt/water will eat them alive too.
__________________
2003 Limited, V8, AWD. 4600 Bils/FJ springs, 1/2" spacer, SPC UCA, Super Pro bushings in front LCA and in all rear control arms, Michelin 265/65R17 LTX/Defenders, stock wheels with homemade center caps, Stop Tech slotted rotors w/Posi Quiet pads all around.
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
12-07-2022, 07:20 AM
|
#9
|
Junior Member
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2021
Location: CT, USA
Posts: 21
|
|
Junior Member
Join Date: Mar 2021
Location: CT, USA
Posts: 21
|
The CRC Corrosion Inhibitor is definitely a good option. It's best when applied to new parts. I contacted them and was told not to put it on top of any rust. Fluid Film or Surface Shield is a better bet there. The CRC product is cosmoline and dries to a waxy consistency and appears to be less likely to wash away like FF.
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
12-07-2022, 06:01 PM
|
#10
|
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Canada
Posts: 648
|
|
Member
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Canada
Posts: 648
|
I found the fluid film so so on rear shock bodies from Kings. If its really wet out on the highway the water washes fluid film off quickly. Forget washing your vehicle it comes off fast. It works well but lasts not long at all. I have a lot of corrosion now on my rear kings, front kings still fine.
__________________
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
12-07-2022, 06:52 PM
|
#11
|
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: British Columbia
Posts: 519
|
|
Member
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: British Columbia
Posts: 519
|
I use T9 Boeshield, which seems to hold up OK, and works well at preventing rust. I hear good things about CRC Heavy Duty Corrosion Inhibitor. Project Farm on YoutTube did a good test of various corrosion inhibitors.
__________________
2003, Sport, V6, 4WD
Overland Warehouse/Radflo 2.0 suspension, SPC upper control arms
2016 Trail Edition w/KDSS
Icon Stage 2 suspension, BFG T/A KO2 285/70/17, C4Fab sliders
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
12-08-2022, 08:47 AM
|
#12
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Castle Rock, CO
Posts: 761
|
|
Member
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Castle Rock, CO
Posts: 761
|
It sounds like CRC is the way to go for coating the coilovers. I have never coated my 5100's and have 0 rust on them so maybe the salt situation isn't as bad here in Colorado than I think?
I did clean and coat the inside of my frame with 3m cavity wax a while ago which seems similar to the waxy CRC stuff but meant for inside frames, doors etc. so I would think the CRC coating would do great on suspension parts.
Anyone using the CRC corrosion inhibitor on Fox/Kings with success? if so I may go this route if I cannot get the Fox performance elite line.
Last edited by jdm-v35; 12-08-2022 at 08:50 AM.
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
12-08-2022, 10:35 AM
|
#13
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 296
|
|
Member
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 296
|
Coilover suspension that holds up well to road salt and winter
Some folks here argue that the magnesium chloride they use is less corrosive than the sodium chloride they use in other regions, but at the end of the day it’s still a corrosive salt.
I think the primary differences, having come from the rust belt myself, is that there is much less humidity here year round and even the winters are relatively dry most of the year.
After a snowstorm here in Denver the roads and everything else are clean and dried up within days. In Michigan the roads are constantly coated in a moist brine all season long.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
__________________
2016 Limited 4WD Blizzard Pearl | Black
TRD Pro Sema | Toyo AT3 LT285/70/R17 C
Dobinsons IMS 302/700 and 505/705 | SPC UCAs | Durobumps
Victory4x4 Rack, BajaRack Ladder, Full RCI Skids & Sliders
CaliRaisedLED Ditch Lights & Light Bar
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
12-10-2022, 11:12 AM
|
#14
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Castle Rock, CO
Posts: 761
|
|
Member
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Castle Rock, CO
Posts: 761
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by mbm112
Some folks here argue that the magnesium chloride they use is less corrosive than the sodium chloride they use in other regions, but at the end of the day it’s still a corrosive salt.
I think the primary differences, having come from the rust belt myself, is that there is much less humidity here year round and even the winters are relatively dry most of the year.
After a snowstorm here in Denver the roads and everything else are clean and dried up within days. In Michigan the roads are constantly coated in a moist brine all season long.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
|
Just curious but how are your dobinsons IMS holding up? and do you think due to less humidity steel bodied shocks seem to be less of a problem here in CO?
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
12-12-2022, 07:20 PM
|
#15
|
Member
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 296
|
|
Member
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 296
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdm-v35
Just curious but how are your dobinsons IMS holding up? and do you think due to less humidity steel bodied shocks seem to be less of a problem here in CO?
|
I’ll have to snap some pics this week. I put the IMS on two years ago and have put almost 60k miles on them since then. They’ve spent more time in Michigan however as I only just moved to Denver last summer.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
__________________
2016 Limited 4WD Blizzard Pearl | Black
TRD Pro Sema | Toyo AT3 LT285/70/R17 C
Dobinsons IMS 302/700 and 505/705 | SPC UCAs | Durobumps
Victory4x4 Rack, BajaRack Ladder, Full RCI Skids & Sliders
CaliRaisedLED Ditch Lights & Light Bar
|
|
Reply With Quote
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is On
|
|
|
|