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Old 03-23-2023, 04:19 PM #16
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Someone has to come up with a solution to the FOB cloning theft problem.
This isnt the huge problem you make it out to be.... Stats suggest that late models vehicles are still stolen in far greater numbers than newer smart-key and immobilizer equipped vehicles. The reason it feels like a rapidly increasing issue is simply due to the self selection bias in reporting - there are simply more smart key equipped cars then ever, especially at lower price points.

Our 4 runners are not uniquely vulnerable and this isnt something that needs to be "figured out". OEMs and thieves will always be engaged in a cat and mouse game.... that is quite literally how security systems evolve; in response to weaknesses uncovered by the public/criminals.

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This is a known issue with the keyless systems, a problem that the keyed systems did not have. And we paid extra money for it The Fobs cost hundreds to replace.

Things I would remove from my 4runner TRD Off-road Premium in a perfect world.

1. keyless entry
2. fake hood scoop (limited or SR5 hood)
3. fake side scoops (limited front facia)
4. Fake bumper covers (limited front facia)
5. Sunroof

I still love it !

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This isnt the huge problem you make it out to be.... Stats suggest that late models vehicles are still stolen in far greater numbers than newer smart-key and immobilizer equipped vehicles. The reason it feels like a rapidly increasing issue is simply due to the self selection bias in reporting - there are simply more smart key equipped cars then ever, especially at lower price points.

Our 4 runners are not uniquely vulnerable and this isnt something that needs to be "figured out". OEMs and thieves will always be engaged in a cat and mouse game.... that is quite literally how security systems evolve; in response to weaknesses uncovered by the public/criminals.

/rant

Imagine this being your response to someone who actually was a victim of such a theft.

It’s a bunch of could-be-worse, normalizing, and defeatist de-escalation.

As an end user, I’m not going to make excuses for manufacturers.

Vehicle security is a flat out embarrassment compared to even the most basic types of current Wi-Fi encryption available on a $50 router.

Automakers are lazy because they’re actually incentivized to stay one step behind thieves - every vehicle not recovered is another vehicle sold.


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This isnt the huge problem you make it out to be.... Stats suggest that late models vehicles are still stolen in far greater numbers than newer smart-key and immobilizer equipped vehicles. The reason it feels like a rapidly increasing issue is simply due to the self selection bias in reporting - there are simply more smart key equipped cars then ever, especially at lower price points.

Our 4 runners are not uniquely vulnerable and this isnt something that needs to be "figured out". OEMs and thieves will always be engaged in a cat and mouse game.... that is quite literally how security systems evolve; in response to weaknesses uncovered by the public/criminals.

/rant
Logic and reason have no place in a society that wants to progress based on emotion.


Cars will be stolen as long as people want to steal cars. The technology is safer and more secure than it has ever been. It's never been perfect and it never will. People can make all the demands they want, but shouldn't be surprised when their unrealistic expectations aren't met.
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