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Old 11-13-2023, 01:16 PM #31
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I'm having trouble finding the Wildpeak AT3W in stock size (265/70r17) in SL Load (P-rated) on the Falken website. I only see the E Load in stock size.

Did Falken drop the SL, or am I missing them?
While they are still on the Falken size list on their website, I am curious if they are actually discontinuing the SL's (P-metrics). Discount Tire no longer lists them in stock size, only the LT E's. My local Walmarts still list the P's as in stock. I have P265/70R17 Wildpeaks myself, I love them. They accidentally installed mostly (4 of 5...) LT E Wildpeaks when I got them, so for a few minutes I got to look at how they looked in comparison to the P's before they brought it back in the shop and put the P's on. Definitely a bit more tread, definitely meatier. If the SL's are gone, I'd probably be willing to buy the LT E's, although they do weigh 6 lbs more each.
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After dumping my hated Bridgestone Dueler HT's (shame on Toyota for putting such a horrible tire on a new 4 runner).........I bought Yokohama Geolander AT's and have been sooooo happy with them. They are M+S AT and 3 peak snow rated tires. Happy happy!
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I've done some research on this forum, but would like some confirmation from those with more knowledge to avoid making a costly mistake. So thanks in advance.

I have a stock 2018 TRD Offroad that needs new tires. From my research, the stock wheels on my model are 17x7.5" wide and the stock tire size is P265/70R17.

My truck is my daily driver and is primarily used on-road. I do occasionally tow a 19' ski boat, but not very often and not very far. Since I need new tires anyway, I'd like to go for a slightly more aggressive (i.e. off road) look, while balancing fuel economy & road noise.

Because I'm concerned about fuel economy (and because I think they're adequate to meet my use case), I'd like to stay with lighter P-rated (SL Load Range) options. And, because I'd like a more aggressive look, I'd like to go a little bigger.

From my research on this forum, I *think* I can fit up to 285/70/17s without significant mods (and possibly no mods).

I like the looks of the Falken Rubitrek A/T and Wildpeak AT3W tires, and both are available in P285/70/17. The differences seem minimal. Weight difference is a wash (Wildpeaks are less than a pound heavier). From Falken's description, the Rubitrek should be slightly better for on-road use, so I'm leaning that way. (I'm in Missouri with a Tire Plaza local, so I should be able to get them.)

My questions...

Will the 285/70/17s fit on my stock truck with minimal (or possibly no) mods? What are the likely mods necessary?

Thoughts on going with P285/70/17s for my described use? (Both of these tires are also available in the stock size.)

Thoughts on Rubitrek A/T vs Wildpeak AT3W?
Did you ever decide on a tire? I just got a '21 ORP and have the exact same dilemma as you. The dealer put the cheapest tires ever made on it and although I can get 22 MPG, I want a bigger and safer tire. Strongly debating between the Toyo Open Country and Falken Wildpeak and want to stick with 265s since I daily drive it all over the place for my business. Everyone raves about the Falkens but man are they quite a bit heavier than the Toyos and that makes me wonder how much it affects MPG.
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Did you ever decide on a tire? I just got a '21 ORP and have the exact same dilemma as you. The dealer put the cheapest tires ever made on it and although I can get 22 MPG, I want a bigger and safer tire. Strongly debating between the Toyo Open Country and Falken Wildpeak and want to stick with 265s since I daily drive it all over the place for my business. Everyone raves about the Falkens but man are they quite a bit heavier than the Toyos and that makes me wonder how much it affects MPG.
My P265/70R17 Wildpeaks lost about 1mpg compared to stock. I have averaged 20mpg overall since getting them, and I have gotten a few 25mpg highway tanks since getting them. They are heavy for a P-metric, but they are light compared to LT E's.

That said, they may or may not still offer the Wildpeak in P265/70R17. They miiight be discontinuing it and going to LT E in that size only, which is another 7 lbs heavier each.
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Trouble finding SL's too

Well that sucks. After reading a 1000 tire threads and filling my youtube feed up with tire reviews I finally made my mind up for the Wildpeak's in the SL load rating. I also saw that they are now not listed in several locations, although they are still on Falkens website.

I have my wife is checking today when she goes to have a leak fixed on her car at the local tire shop. We'll see if they can get them locally. I came from a Ram Rebel with a hemi so I really don't want to make the 4Runner any more lethargic than it already is so E's are not something I'm looking for. I love it, it's just a bit sluggish.

My second choice was the Mickey Thompson Baja Blast but given some of the reviews that they are noisy above 50, I ended up leaning towards the Falkens.

I'll see what the wife says after she get's back from the tire shop this afternoon.
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My P265/70R17 Wildpeaks lost about 1mpg compared to stock. I have averaged 20mpg overall since getting them, and I have gotten a few 25mpg highway tanks since getting them. They are heavy for a P-metric, but they are light compared to LT E's.

That said, they may or may not still offer the Wildpeak in P265/70R17. They miiight be discontinuing it and going to LT E in that size only, which is another 7 lbs heavier each.
Awesome, thanks for the info. 1 MPG is worth it over the benefits. I'm gonna look around and see if I can find them locally.
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I've ran the 3 most popular BFG Ko2's, Toyo Open Country, and Falken Wildpeaks. The Falken Wildpeaks were my favorite because they performed well in the snow, mud and rain. The KO2s were great in mud and snow but failed in the rain and I get a lot of rain where I live.

285s are nice but you will need to mod a bit to fit them by trimming/moving plastic and adjusting your caster. 285s will also negatively effect your fuel economy and acceleration.
If you want a better stance you could always use spacers (spidertrax) or wheels with a bit more offset
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Well that sucks. After reading a 1000 tire threads and filling my youtube feed up with tire reviews I finally made my mind up for the Wildpeak's in the SL load rating. I also saw that they are now not listed in several locations, although they are still on Falkens website.

I have my wife is checking today when she goes to have a leak fixed on her car at the local tire shop. We'll see if they can get them locally. I came from a Ram Rebel with a hemi so I really don't want to make the 4Runner any more lethargic than it already is so E's are not something I'm looking for. I love it, it's just a bit sluggish.

My second choice was the Mickey Thompson Baja Blast but given some of the reviews that they are noisy above 50, I ended up leaning towards the Falkens.

I'll see what the wife says after she get's back from the tire shop this afternoon.
I run 285/70-17 Wildpeaks in a Standard Load and I really like them. They weighed about 8 pounds per tire less than my previous KO2’s in 275/70-17 E load tires. In my case my mileage seemed to increase by .5 mpg over the KO2’s and the acceleration seems a tad bit better. Weight in tires are power and mileage killers on these trucks. I have put hundreds of miles on AT3W’s across the desert and many of the local mountains. Smooth ride and reasonably quiet. They don’t seem to wear as well as an E load though. I have full armor minus a aftermarket rear bumper. Wheel spacers and or large negative offsets will increase the mods to fit the front tires, and possibly require a BMC. I run a 17 x 8.5 x 0 wheel with 285’s and still have my mud flaps and no rubbing. Just pushed the front liners forward a tad. My fenders were already trimmed from the port. I will probably buy another set of SL Wildpeaks again.

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Well that sucks. After reading a 1000 tire threads and filling my youtube feed up with tire reviews I finally made my mind up for the Wildpeak's in the SL load rating. I also saw that they are now not listed in several locations, although they are still on Falkens website.

I have my wife is checking today when she goes to have a leak fixed on her car at the local tire shop. We'll see if they can get them locally. I came from a Ram Rebel with a hemi so I really don't want to make the 4Runner any more lethargic than it already is so E's are not something I'm looking for. I love it, it's just a bit sluggish.

My second choice was the Mickey Thompson Baja Blast but given some of the reviews that they are noisy above 50, I ended up leaning towards the Falkens.

I'll see what the wife says after she get's back from the tire shop this afternoon.
I just called one of my local shops (I believe it was Discount Tire) and asked if they had Wildpeaks in SL P265/70R17 and he said yes, no problem. I also asked if they were made in China and he said no way, he's actually never heard of that. I'm pretty happy to hear that and will be most likely grabbing some fairly soon. I'd call some of your local tires shops to confirm.
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I just called one of my local shops (I believe it was Discount Tire) and asked if they had Wildpeaks in SL P265/70R17 and he said yes, no problem. I also asked if they were made in China and he said no way, he's actually never heard of that. I'm pretty happy to hear that and will be most likely grabbing some fairly soon. I'd call some of your local tires shops to confirm.
Check them visually before you walk out the door. In May I had an order for 5 SL P265/70R17 Wildpeaks at my Discount Tire. They put on 4 LT E's... and 1 SL P. Had them fix it the same day. Point being: watch out, it's possible for them to put the LT's on.
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I've ran the 3 most popular BFG Ko2's, Toyo Open Country, and Falken Wildpeaks. The Falken Wildpeaks were my favorite because they performed well in the snow, mud and rain. The KO2s were great in mud and snow but failed in the rain and I get a lot of rain where I live.

285s are nice but you will need to mod a bit to fit them by trimming/moving plastic and adjusting your caster. 285s will also negatively effect your fuel economy and acceleration.
If you want a better stance you could always use spacers (spidertrax) or wheels with a bit more offset
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Why do you say the KO2s failed in the rain? I’ve heard some people say this. I’ve been running KO2 on my SUVs for 20 years and never had an issue but I’m curious why some people had issues with them and others have not. Please provide a much info as you can such as road condition, road type, (pavement-asphalt), heavy or light rain, driving straight or on a curve, speed, tire condition (new, worn [percentage], tread damage from off-roading) and so on.

The best explanation I’ve come across is people saying the tread pattern just doesn’t siphons water that well in heavy rain. However I’ve driven in heavy rain and never had a problem but I usually slow down in these conditions.

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Why do you say the KO2s failed in the rain? I’ve heard some people say this. I’ve been running KO2 on my SUVs for 20 years and never had an issue but I’m curious why some people had issues with them and others have not. Please provide a much info as you can such as road condition, road type, (pavement-asphalt), heavy or light rain, driving straight or on a curve, speed, tire condition (new, worn [percentage], tread damage from off-roading) and so on.

The best explanation I’ve come across is people saying the tread pattern just doesn’t siphons water that well in heavy rain. However I’ve driven in heavy rain and never had a problem but I usually slow down in these conditions.

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K02's haven't been around for 20 years. But the older BFG A/T versions have. None of the versions have been great in the wet, but if you haven't used any of the better wet-performing A/T competition, you wouldn't know that.
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Why do you say the KO2s failed in the rain? Iíve heard some people say this. Iíve been running KO2 on my SUVs for 20 years and never had an issue but Iím curious why some people had issues with them and others have not. Please provide a much info as you can such as road condition, road type, (pavement-asphalt), heavy or light rain, driving straight or on a curve, speed, tire condition (new, worn [percentage], tread damage from off-roading) and so on.

The best explanation Iíve come across is people saying the tread pattern just doesnít siphons water that well in heavy rain. However Iíve driven in heavy rain and never had a problem but I usually slow down in these conditions.

Thanks
I've found every AT tire I've experienced on our 4runner, Outback, and rental F150s, Ram, and GM trucks to be pretty dismal in the rain and wet surfaces when it comes to general grip and threshold braking. The tread blocks are just too fat and squirmy. They're alright in heavy rain, but on a wet surface, especially in sub 60 temps, you must be cautious. The same can be said for winter/snow tires on passenger cars. Every tire type has it's compromises. Wet surfaces and thin layer (1/2" or less) dry snow-covered surfaces are not friendly to AT tires.
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Check them visually before you walk out the door. In May I had an order for 5 SL P265/70R17 Wildpeaks at my Discount Tire. They put on 4 LT E's... and 1 SL P. Had them fix it the same day. Point being: watch out, it's possible for them to put the LT's on.
Yeah, I was planning on that but I appreciate the info. Good thing you checked.
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For clarification I’ve been using both the KO & KO2s for the last 20 years. My bad habit of assuming that people know that I was referring to both.

Also competition tires are a different story. I’m sure there is a big difference with any of those types of tires. I assumed T4Rgarage was referring to the standard A/T KO2, Toyo and Wildpeaks.

Anyway, I’m honestly curious why some people have problems with KO2s in the rain. In the last 20 years of having both the KO & KO2s, I’ve never had any performance or handling issues with them in light, medium or heavy rain. Maybe it’s just because drive a little more cautiously in bad weather. I would just like to the details of the conditions where they said they had problems so that I can be more aware of it.
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