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Old 04-25-2023, 05:20 PM #1
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tow hitch mounted winch advice

I need a winch installed on my 2018 4runner (stock), but I want to avoid all that weight hanging in the front bumper.

I am thinking to go with a tow hitch mounted, portable winch mount like the Badland from Harbor Freight.

I see two advantages to this:

- i could store the winch in my garage when I am not travelling or overlanding, so I don't drag around all that weight when I don't need it
- I can put the winch in front or in the back depending on the situation.

The concern here is that if, during winching, the traction is not aligned with the axis of the hitch, this might damage or bend the vehicle hitch. So I could not winch at an angle with confidence.

What do you guys think? Is this a valid concern ?

Also, this would require to install a front tow hitch receiver for the 4runner - did anybody do this, and how ?

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I use a hitch mount all the time, I even have a receiver on my car trailer so I can use it there too.

From the damage concern, it really depends on the application and how you use it, I use blocks and shackles for heavy winching to multiply the pull and ensure I have a direct pull and not to bind myself up.

The one thing to remember is that you need a decent sized wire for heavy/long pulls. So invest in a welders lead or modify heavy gauge jumper cables and make sure they arent getting hot when working the winch.

On my car trailer and for light pulls I carry an extra battery and connect the winch to that and not the truck.
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I have used two different hitch winches over the years. I've never bent a hitch - front or rear. I think it is a good idea to think about exactly what you are thinking about - don't pull directly sideways unless you are on slippery surfaces. There's a lot of subjective decisions to make. And you can cut the side load on the hitch by using a snatch block or low friction ring for synthetic and hooking the hook to the OEM tow point or similar.

The real downsides I see are these:

The winch sits low and forward. It will be a problem in some terrain to leave it in the front hitch because it'll be hitting stuff all the time. It'll be better on the 4runner because the front hitch setups are pretty high and tight. On my Tundra it's as high as it can be- but it's only maybe 8" off the ground. It's not a great place for it if you wanted to go off-road a lot. I've never had a situation where I could not install it, but it could happen. I think it would be very rare to have a situation where you couldn't install in the front or rear location.

Winches are kinda big and heavy. You're most likely going to put it in the back of your 4Runner. It takes up space and makes a very dangerous missile if you are in a collision. IMO it's very important to secure it to something strong in the back so it doesn't become a projectile either in a collision or in an offroad situation where your other junk goes flying around in the back. One minor plus side is that it has a rope with a hook on the end already, so you can potentially use that as a safety leash attachment to a cargo hook. But in a collision it might just tear the tie down loop off. So... you'll probably end up just sticking it in the front hitch for offroad trips anyway. I always did in my 3rd gen 4Runner. In my Tundra now - I put it in the bed. But it has much bigger heavier duty tie down points and a lot more room to put it back there.

You'll also have to have a quick disconnect setup for wiring. Not a big deal, but it's another roughly $100-150 in stuff you'll need to buy in addition to the winch cradle and front hitch. By the time you've bought $100 in wiring, $100ish for a front hitch, and $100 for the cradle, you're not that far from the cost of a winch mount.


The big plus is that you can leave it at home most of the time. It works on both ends. I also use it on a car trailer to pull cars on. On my Tundra - it works great. It's not a real offroader in any meaningful sense. And when I get stuck it's very nice to have. And I can take it with easily to the next truck.

There's no perfect solution. I like a lot about the portable winch setups. I've owned two of them and currently have one. If you think it's the best option for you - I say go for it. I wouldn't not do it because of the limit on side pulls. If you're doing enough offroading that you are using a winch a lot and will probably need to do that - you're in a situation where you really should be installing a hard mounted winch. If you're using it for more utility stuff and an emergency backup for exploring, it's a great option.

My other tips:

Buy one with synthetic rope. It's heavy. the synthetic winch rope saves a good bit of weight and is easier on your hands when you're moving it around. For my 4Runner where I used it a lot I had a superwinch talon that was more expensive. Warn on my FJ40. For my Tundra I have an off-brand Amazon winch Amazon.com It works just as well as the Superwinch or Warn so far. I've also had the old super cheap HF 8k lb winch - also worked reliably. I paid $280 for the amazon one in the link above during a sale. Hard not to go synthetic if you can pick them up that cheaply. Seems to be comparable quality to the HF low budget ones, but comes with synthetic rope.

Don't buy that winch cradle online. I bought the same generic one for my current winch setup and sent it back. The welds were really poorly made - undercut and very little penetration. And the stem was about 15 degrees out of square. Just very low quality. The one harbor freight sells is probably better - and you can look at the actual one you'll get in person before buying it. Otherwise the Curt brand one is made in the USA, more expensive, but also significantly better built.

For wiring - I did this set for my current winch and it works well:

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And one of these:
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The combination of those two pieces is $120 and includes 3 cables - 2 of which are short length one is about 30 feet. The way I use it is to have one mounted to the battery dropped out the front, one mounted to the winch, and the long jumper set. On the front you directly plug winch to battery side cable. For the rear I use the winch plugged to jumper cables and then attach the alligator clips to the battery. <- that's not ideal, but it works for the infrequent times i need it. In my 3rd gen 4Runner setup I had the same setup, but I had added 2 more quick connect ends so I had a short jumper clip end set, an extension cord, a winch connected end, and a battery side set with a plug. The plugs are usually called "anderson connectors" but I've found them all to be basically the same whether Anderson brand or generic.

For crimping the ends if you are making up your own, the harbor freight hydraulic terminal crimp tool is great. Or you can probably figure something out yourself, but it's big cable and crimping it is not something you'll do with your typical electrician's pliers.

Hope that helps give you some information that's useful. Good luck!

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Thank you Jetboy, lots of good info.

I am mostly overlanding and camping solo, so I wanted to have an emergency rescue option, that's why I wanted a removable winch. I don't do anything crazy, but in my trips I had several episodes when a winch would have been so much more helpful to get me out of a shitty situation - alone in the mountains :-)

Also I am reluctant to do a permanent mount, since that probably requires beefing up the front suspension and I really want to keep this 4R stock as much as possible. I might go the permanent mount solution if I find a good option that would not require me to modify the 4R too much.

I expect in a year or so to be a lot more on the road, camping and offroading for a longer period of time - maybe tat will be a good time to consider a permanent solution.

In my area there is Billy Bob's Offroad in Milton, WA, they have all the hardware and said they can mount the winch.
Tey could also install a front bumper and a permanent winch.
If i go either option, I will have them do all the work.
They also mentioned the quick disconnect, and have all the hardware.

Any ideas for a front-mounter tow hitch receiver for a 4Runner ?

Also, please talk to me about a permanent front bumper + (hidden) winch solution, how bad is that going to stress the stock front suspension - do I have any good options ? Weight (= stress on the stock front suspension) and reliability are main concerns.
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I'm of the opinion that weight is bad. Sometimes necessary. But I avoid extra weight as much as possible. A winch IIRC is around 65lbs with synthetic rope. A front mount is probably around 40lbs. So you're net adding about 100lbs. It's more than zero, but IMO not significant enough to require major suspension changes or anything like that. It's basically equivalent to having a passenger in the seat next to you vs not. Do you ever notice any difference? I don't think I can tell the difference. It should not be a reliability issue with the front suspension at all. Only real difference is that it'll sit a tiny bit lower. Front coils are around 550lb/in combined so 100lb of weight = roughly 1/5" lower ride height.

That said - front hitches are super easy to install. It's about a 30-45 minute job to install a curt front receiver hitch. The prices have gone up a bunch since I last bought one. Looks like they're more like $250. But it's only about 6 bolts to install. I'm a fan of CURT brand and it may be the only one available anyway. There was two different versions, so make sure the one you choose is the high clearance one. You can search on here for model numbers to make sure. I think when I bought mine it was more like $100-125. Inflation. Damnit. You can install with basic hand tools. No specialty tools required. It does help to have a floor jack to hold it up in place as you're bolting it on. I also highly recommend purple loctite - it's the weakest loctite and is IMO ideal mostly for keeping the hardware threads sealed from rust. I find that it works better than antisieze.

As far as winch wiring - the pigtail part that attaches to the battery is as simple as just removing the nut on the battery terminal ends, placing the wire terminal loops over the stud, and putting the nut back on. Again - no special tools. Just basic wrench needed. Then you'll want to feed the wiring down to somewhere convenient. I like to put it inside of a larger diameter protective cover - any sort of plastic hose that you can split with a razor knife works well for this. It's just to make sure you don't wear through on a sharp corner and have a short. You can buy something like larger size flexible water hose at Home Depot by the foot. It's inexpensive. Maybe $10 for a few feet.

Or you can do it really simple - just coil up the wire inside the hood and make sure it's well secured so it doesn't fall down into the fan or onto the engine. Mine is just a small coiled up wire on top of the battery and the longer plug end from the winch reaches up to there. I open the hood to use it and just close the hood to the first latch over top of the battery cables. Easy and simple.

Permanent mount front bumpers take more install tools and work. Something most home DIY mechancs can handle. But it's up to you and your skills to figure out what works for you. It requires removing the front bumper plastics, the front crash bumper, and then bolting on the winch mount assembly. You then trim the plastic bumper to fit around the steel parts and re-install everything. I'm sure there are some youtube videos. I think the net weight is more, but not a lot. You would also then hard-wire it and remote mount the plug for the winch remote. You'll also need to cut an access port in the plastic cover inside the hood to reach the winch clutch lever. It's a lot more work to install. Probably around 6 hours with the wiring work depending on what winch you choose.

In my case I fabricated my own winch mount. I think it took maybe 8-10 hours to design, fabricate, and install. But it's been a while so I don't remember. I also have access to a full fab and machine shop, so it's easy for me, but probably less so for most people. I think my mount weight was around 40lbs and I removed about 10lb of OEM crash bumper. So it was probably a net weight gain of about 110lbs with a synthetic rope winch. I also had Fox 2.5 front coilovers so they are adjustable height. I don't know that I could tell the difference, but it was easy in that case to adjust the height. Here's a thread on how I made mine: 2015 TEP Hidden Winch Build/Install
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I run two winches.......one in the front bumper and one in the front passenger seat.
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I think it’s best with the winch on the outside & the wench on the inside.

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I run two winches.......one in the front bumper and one in the front passenger seat.
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