User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 06-02-2023, 12:45 PM #16
vondy21's Avatar
vondy21 vondy21 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Dallas Texas
Posts: 89
vondy21 is on a distinguished road
vondy21 vondy21 is offline
Member
vondy21's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Dallas Texas
Posts: 89
vondy21 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dame-O View Post
I had the front end shimmy that would start around 60mph and go away after 65mph. I had my tires balanced multiple times and it was still there. I recently leveled my 4Runner with the Eibach Pro Truck level 1 and new UCA's and the caster is now at 4. The shimmy was completely gone with the same tires.

I would try the above suggestion and see if it helps. I'm guessing that's what eliminated my front end shake.
Do you have to have aftermarket UCAs on a totally stock suspension to get the caster close to 4? Can you get there on stock?

I've had the 60-65 shimmy since new. Multiple balances on Michelin Defenders and it always comes back.

It's about time for new tires and was going to have them do an alignment and try to get the caster close to 4.
__________________
2017 TRD Off-Road Premium
Magnetic Gray - KDSS
Stock suspension, Michelin Defenders LTX MS
vondy21 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-04-2023, 08:26 AM #17
Redsoxx1918 Redsoxx1918 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 698
Redsoxx1918 is a jewel in the rough Redsoxx1918 is a jewel in the rough Redsoxx1918 is a jewel in the rough Redsoxx1918 is a jewel in the rough
Redsoxx1918 Redsoxx1918 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 698
Redsoxx1918 is a jewel in the rough Redsoxx1918 is a jewel in the rough Redsoxx1918 is a jewel in the rough Redsoxx1918 is a jewel in the rough
Quote:
Originally Posted by AggieOE View Post
If your other 4Runners were fine that had different tires.... wouldn't it be cheaper to just replace the tires with something different rather than selling a vehicle and buying another because the tires were bad?

I hear ya, but there's no guarantee new tires would fix it either. I've seen other people replace with different tires and the situation persists. I have another appointment this week to have them look at it again. Not confidant that anything will change. They claimed they test drove it last time and it was smooth. Who knows if they even drove it afterwards. Love the vehicle but they did send me an email offering me $56k for it, which is what I paid. But...their lot is empty so not really anything I could even trade it in on.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Redsoxx1918 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-04-2023, 03:58 PM #18
osugsxr osugsxr is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Ohio
Posts: 1,067
osugsxr is a jewel in the rough osugsxr is a jewel in the rough osugsxr is a jewel in the rough osugsxr is a jewel in the rough
osugsxr osugsxr is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Ohio
Posts: 1,067
osugsxr is a jewel in the rough osugsxr is a jewel in the rough osugsxr is a jewel in the rough osugsxr is a jewel in the rough
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redsoxx1918 View Post
I hear ya, but there's no guarantee new tires would fix it either. I've seen other people replace with different tires and the situation persists. I have another appointment this week to have them look at it again. Not confidant that anything will change. They claimed they test drove it last time and it was smooth. Who knows if they even drove it afterwards. Love the vehicle but they did send me an email offering me $56k for it, which is what I paid. But...their lot is empty so not really anything I could even trade it in on.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
thats a reasonable TIV for a lemon
__________________
2017 SR5 prem: TRD pro suspension/ skid plate / wheels/ 2021 OEM LED head & fog lights / blacked out (emblems/skid plate/ roof rails)
audio: 2022 OEM headunit, focal 6x9s, 6.5" speakers
osugsxr is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-04-2023, 06:05 PM #19
Redsoxx1918 Redsoxx1918 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 698
Redsoxx1918 is a jewel in the rough Redsoxx1918 is a jewel in the rough Redsoxx1918 is a jewel in the rough Redsoxx1918 is a jewel in the rough
Redsoxx1918 Redsoxx1918 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 698
Redsoxx1918 is a jewel in the rough Redsoxx1918 is a jewel in the rough Redsoxx1918 is a jewel in the rough Redsoxx1918 is a jewel in the rough
Quote:
Originally Posted by osugsxr View Post
thats a reasonable TIV for a lemon

You think so? I'm guessing they will just end up saying it's normal.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Redsoxx1918 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-05-2023, 05:21 PM #20
CrawlCulture CrawlCulture is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2023
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 30
CrawlCulture is on a distinguished road
CrawlCulture CrawlCulture is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2023
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 30
CrawlCulture is on a distinguished road
Yea the dreaded front end shimmy. I had a bad one that took me about 6 months to figure out.

Mine drove great until I changed from my 285/70 Nitto Trail Grapps on the factory TRD wheels to 285/75R17 Trail Grapps on Method 305s and then around 45-60mph the wheel shake and pedal vibration would start.

Things that you need to check:

1. Wheel balance (you have done that) but make sure they didn't find that your tires showed excessive road force bc if they do, they are trash and will need to be replaced more than likely. It could be they were out of balance and became out of round or they could have just been out of round from the start.

2. Alignment (everything needs to be in spec). Make sure they aren't just doing tie rod adjustment and calling it good.

3. Everything should be torqued to the proper spec (not just "tight" if you are chasing vibrations)

4. Check you wheel bearings. Jack the wheel up off the ground and push at the 12 or 6 position and if you get any movement, it is a bad bearing. (3-9 movement is tie rod but that shouldnt have anything to do with it)
Toyota 4Runner w/ trashed wheel bearing assembly (12-6 movement) Vibrations ?/ braking problems ? - YouTube
It is about $150 for a koyo bearing and Dorman hub or if you want all OEM you can get one for $399. If you want to press the hub into the bearing yourself you can get it for about $90 and use your old hub.

5. Rarely, water can get in the tires from condensation formed in the compressor tank and that could cause it to feel like it is wandering especially during acceleration.

I eventually got it taken care of but it about drove me crazy trying to get it figured out.
CrawlCulture is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-07-2023, 12:11 AM #21
Redsoxx1918 Redsoxx1918 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 698
Redsoxx1918 is a jewel in the rough Redsoxx1918 is a jewel in the rough Redsoxx1918 is a jewel in the rough Redsoxx1918 is a jewel in the rough
Redsoxx1918 Redsoxx1918 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 698
Redsoxx1918 is a jewel in the rough Redsoxx1918 is a jewel in the rough Redsoxx1918 is a jewel in the rough Redsoxx1918 is a jewel in the rough
Quote:
Originally Posted by CrawlCulture View Post
Yea the dreaded front end shimmy. I had a bad one that took me about 6 months to figure out.

Mine drove great until I changed from my 285/70 Nitto Trail Grapps on the factory TRD wheels to 285/75R17 Trail Grapps on Method 305s and then around 45-60mph the wheel shake and pedal vibration would start.

Things that you need to check:

1. Wheel balance (you have done that) but make sure they didn't find that your tires showed excessive road force bc if they do, they are trash and will need to be replaced more than likely. It could be they were out of balance and became out of round or they could have just been out of round from the start.

2. Alignment (everything needs to be in spec). Make sure they aren't just doing tie rod adjustment and calling it good.

3. Everything should be torqued to the proper spec (not just "tight" if you are chasing vibrations)

4. Check you wheel bearings. Jack the wheel up off the ground and push at the 12 or 6 position and if you get any movement, it is a bad bearing. (3-9 movement is tie rod but that shouldnt have anything to do with it)
Toyota 4Runner w/ trashed wheel bearing assembly (12-6 movement) Vibrations ?/ braking problems ? - YouTube
It is about $150 for a koyo bearing and Dorman hub or if you want all OEM you can get one for $399. If you want to press the hub into the bearing yourself you can get it for about $90 and use your old hub.

5. Rarely, water can get in the tires from condensation formed in the compressor tank and that could cause it to feel like it is wandering especially during acceleration.

I eventually got it taken care of but it about drove me crazy trying to get it figured out.

Thanks for all the tips. Going back in tomorrow to let them work on it again. I'm gonna see if they will balance the tires again and perform an alignment. It's covered for the first 12k miles. If that still doesn't fix it, I guess I'll check the bearings. I'm thinking it's just bad tires.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Redsoxx1918 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-08-2023, 05:20 PM #22
Redsoxx1918 Redsoxx1918 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 698
Redsoxx1918 is a jewel in the rough Redsoxx1918 is a jewel in the rough Redsoxx1918 is a jewel in the rough Redsoxx1918 is a jewel in the rough
Redsoxx1918 Redsoxx1918 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 698
Redsoxx1918 is a jewel in the rough Redsoxx1918 is a jewel in the rough Redsoxx1918 is a jewel in the rough Redsoxx1918 is a jewel in the rough
Update.....brought the 4Runner in again yesterday. Got the usual look like I was crazy....then the story how it's a "truck" with all terrain tires and front end shake is normal. Right. Sure. Anyway.....they called me later and said it was all set. They said the tires were out of balance. Apparently they only did a high speed balance last week and this time they performed a proper road force balance. So far, the issue seems to be resolved. No more front end shimmy.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Redsoxx1918 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-08-2023, 05:54 PM #23
ChiliBean ChiliBean is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: NY
Posts: 17
ChiliBean is on a distinguished road
ChiliBean ChiliBean is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: NY
Posts: 17
ChiliBean is on a distinguished road
I found a reputable shop that regularly does lifts and wheel/tire combos for jeeps etc.
they got it right for me.
2 other shops told me it was either bad wheel or bad tire and they couldn’t help me out.

SCS wheels/BF Goodrich AT for reference

Forget the dealer. They’ll just give you the runaround
ChiliBean is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-09-2023, 06:27 AM #24
kenwilliams0803 kenwilliams0803 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 526
kenwilliams0803 has a spectacular aura about kenwilliams0803 has a spectacular aura about kenwilliams0803 has a spectacular aura about
kenwilliams0803 kenwilliams0803 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 526
kenwilliams0803 has a spectacular aura about kenwilliams0803 has a spectacular aura about kenwilliams0803 has a spectacular aura about
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiliBean View Post
I found a reputable shop that regularly does lifts and wheel/tire combos for jeeps etc.

they got it right for me.

2 other shops told me it was either bad wheel or bad tire and they couldn’t help me out.



SCS wheels/BF Goodrich AT for reference



Forget the dealer. They’ll just give you the runaround
That's funny. In my case, the dealer is the ONLY one around here who can get it right.

Sent from my SM-S901U using Tapatalk
kenwilliams0803 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-12-2023, 02:56 PM #25
Vardeeg Vardeeg is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Los Angeles/San Fernando Valley
Posts: 13
Real Name: Aaron
Vardeeg is on a distinguished road
Vardeeg Vardeeg is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Los Angeles/San Fernando Valley
Posts: 13
Real Name: Aaron
Vardeeg is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by CutthroatSlam View Post
1) Road force balance the tires, or consider throwing balance beads in the tires. Better tires always helps here too.

If you let the shimmy shake go too long, you end up with wear on front end steering and suspension components.

2) New inner and outer tie rods.

3) New upper and lower control arm bushings, preferably urethane.

4) New upper and lower ball joints.

5) East Coast Gear bushing replacing the needle bearing in the front differential.

Can't say which solved my issue as I in that order, but collectively it got it done. If you can't deal with it, sell the vehicle as a known lemon at a steep discount to someone who can deal with it.

Gotta say, I've been tracking this shimmy issue across multiple different 4runner forums and toyota groups since I bought my 4runner from the dealer brand new in 2016, and the ECGS Needle bearing replacement is the one thing I've seen work wonders for people across the board. Lifted or not, aftermarket wheels or not, aftermarket tires or not, seems like the needle bearing replacement has been the most impactful. More people gotta be talking about this. I've honestly given up, and IF I end up re-gearing I'll definitely be doing the needle bearing, but as it stands, I just don't let the car cruise around 60-65 MPH haha. (Something about out of sight, out of mind)

Poke around the Taco forums and people are complaining about the same thing, with the same sort of troubleshooting process. Most people seem to give up by the time they get to the needle bearing, as they've probably already been convinced to check their wheels, tires, tie-rods, alignment, brake rotors, etc. The ones I've seen go in and replace the needle bearing seem to be reporting the best results, regardless of other mods.
Vardeeg is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-12-2023, 09:54 PM #26
fkheath fkheath is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2020
Location: Utah
Posts: 1,439
fkheath is a splendid one to behold fkheath is a splendid one to behold fkheath is a splendid one to behold fkheath is a splendid one to behold fkheath is a splendid one to behold fkheath is a splendid one to behold
fkheath fkheath is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2020
Location: Utah
Posts: 1,439
fkheath is a splendid one to behold fkheath is a splendid one to behold fkheath is a splendid one to behold fkheath is a splendid one to behold fkheath is a splendid one to behold fkheath is a splendid one to behold
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vardeeg View Post
Gotta say, I've been tracking this shimmy issue across multiple different 4runner forums and toyota groups since I bought my 4runner from the dealer brand new in 2016, and the ECGS Needle bearing replacement is the one thing I've seen work wonders for people across the board. Lifted or not, aftermarket wheels or not, aftermarket tires or not, seems like the needle bearing replacement has been the most impactful.
FYI: Here is the info on the needle bearing issue: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/20...54805-9999.pdf
fkheath is online now   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-14-2023, 04:29 PM #27
Vardeeg Vardeeg is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Los Angeles/San Fernando Valley
Posts: 13
Real Name: Aaron
Vardeeg is on a distinguished road
Vardeeg Vardeeg is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Los Angeles/San Fernando Valley
Posts: 13
Real Name: Aaron
Vardeeg is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by fkheath View Post
FYI: Here is the info on the needle bearing issue: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/20...54805-9999.pdf
Blows my mind, that Toyota's solution is to just replace the entire diff and assembly. Wouldn't that also mean you'd potentially have that issue AGAIN after having already replaced the diff with an identical unit?
Vardeeg is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-15-2023, 02:23 PM #28
CutthroatSlam CutthroatSlam is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Last Great Place
Posts: 1,355
CutthroatSlam has much to be proud of CutthroatSlam has much to be proud of CutthroatSlam has much to be proud of CutthroatSlam has much to be proud of CutthroatSlam has much to be proud of CutthroatSlam has much to be proud of CutthroatSlam has much to be proud of CutthroatSlam has much to be proud of
CutthroatSlam CutthroatSlam is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Last Great Place
Posts: 1,355
CutthroatSlam has much to be proud of CutthroatSlam has much to be proud of CutthroatSlam has much to be proud of CutthroatSlam has much to be proud of CutthroatSlam has much to be proud of CutthroatSlam has much to be proud of CutthroatSlam has much to be proud of CutthroatSlam has much to be proud of
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vardeeg View Post
Gotta say, I've been tracking this shimmy issue across multiple different 4runner forums and toyota groups since I bought my 4runner from the dealer brand new in 2016, and the ECGS Needle bearing replacement is the one thing I've seen work wonders for people across the board. Lifted or not, aftermarket wheels or not, aftermarket tires or not, seems like the needle bearing replacement has been the most impactful. More people gotta be talking about this. I've honestly given up, and IF I end up re-gearing I'll definitely be doing the needle bearing, but as it stands, I just don't let the car cruise around 60-65 MPH haha. (Something about out of sight, out of mind)

Poke around the Taco forums and people are complaining about the same thing, with the same sort of troubleshooting process. Most people seem to give up by the time they get to the needle bearing, as they've probably already been convinced to check their wheels, tires, tie-rods, alignment, brake rotors, etc. The ones I've seen go in and replace the needle bearing seem to be reporting the best results, regardless of other mods.
Gotta say, nevagiveup! I'm not a mechanic by profession (work for the Federal Reserve as a Credit Risk Specialist), but there are few things I can't do on a vehicle and that simply from determination and the fact that I know I can do it better than 98% of the techs at a dealership. The important thing here is to think it through as opposed to just throw parts at it. There's a whole lot of interrelated things impacting this issue and it grows worse and broader the longer it is allowed to continue. Thus I refuse to accept and continue to work at solutions for it and any other issues on vehicles.

Currently dealing with a persisent oil leak on my 2005 Honda Accord with 2.4 liter engine. First it was the VTEC solenoid. Replaced VTEC seal and Valve cover gasket, but still leaking. Replaced with new VTEC solenoid, leak reduced but still there. Read up some more and my symptoms indicated PCV valve clogged or not functioning properly. They recommend replacing PCV valve every 50K miles and mine was original at 157K. $10 part, so I replaced and the leak was further reduced. Did a complete clean of the engine with degreaser and pressure washer. This revealed that VTEC solenoid no up leaking, but up above was a small dribble coming from the rear corner of the valve cover. Bad PCV valve probably induced the leak there. So, new valve cover gasket set on the way. Hopefully that with some Honda Bond gets the rest of it. Nevagiveup.
CutthroatSlam is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-15-2023, 09:03 PM #29
djeepin djeepin is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: New York
Posts: 120
djeepin is on a distinguished road
djeepin djeepin is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: New York
Posts: 120
djeepin is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redsoxx1918 View Post
The front end shake is back and still pretty bad after roadforce balance. I've been dealing with this BS for some many years between a. Couple of 4Runners I'm seriously considering just moving on to another vehicle.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
On my first 4Runner ten years ago I started to experience those problems after first visit to dealership, when they rotate tires. many visits to different shops, balancing, alignments, newer got rid of shaking. On third set of rotors after eight years, finally bought dial gauge with magnetic base. aluminum wheels bended. all four. Dealership using air gun first, and after all lug nuts in, they use torque limiter, just to follow the book. Buy dial gauge and check all yourself. Now dealership asking: "why don't you want tire rotate? it's free." free - huh?
djeepin is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-16-2023, 05:08 PM #30
934x4's Avatar
934x4 934x4 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Sylvan Lake, Alberta
Posts: 83
934x4 is on a distinguished road
934x4 934x4 is offline
Member
934x4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Sylvan Lake, Alberta
Posts: 83
934x4 is on a distinguished road
I often had this problem, sometimes worse than others. It bothered me that it would come and go without any real reason. It disappeared for good when I moved the wheels, front to back on each side. It was the easiest solution and it worked. I don't know why, I just got lucky and it hasn't come back since.
__________________
'11 Trail, Shoreline Blue, KDSS, Nav, Heated Leather, 3M. American import to Canada


"Got Fuel To Burn, Got Roads To Drive"
934x4 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Reply

Tags
alignment , end , front , pro , trd

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
front end wobble/shimmy! 01thunder 3rd gen T4Rs 12 10-06-2017 05:29 PM
Vsc, shimmy shimmy shake rattle & buzz lcbjr77 4th Gen T4Rs 3 01-14-2016 05:47 PM
The dreaded front axle seal leak Jester4kicks 4th Gen T4Rs 5 03-13-2015 09:34 PM
The dreaded highway shimmy/shake/vibration = fixed Golfinz 3rd gen T4Rs 18 03-04-2014 10:23 PM
Little Front End Shimmy on Highway bluecollarjock 3rd gen T4Rs 3 10-01-2011 07:35 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:46 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
***This site is an unofficial Toyota site, and is not officially endorsed, supported, authorized by or affiliated with Toyota. All company, product, or service names references in this web site are used for identification purposes only and may be trademarks of their respective owners. The Toyota name, marks, designs and logos, as well as Toyota model names, are registered trademarks of Toyota Motor Corporation***Ad Management plugin by RedTyger
 
Copyright © 2020