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Old 04-25-2024, 08:19 AM #16
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Maybe.

I think “better value” has different meanings to different people. If you mean more features or more power, I’d agree with your assessment. If someone is seeking durability and reliability, I’d argue the Toyota is a better value.

I could have purchased a Bronco and I do think they look cool and have bells & whistles, but I wanted something as close to an old school Land Cruiser as I could get, so I have a 2022 4Runner Off Road Premium. I think long term it’s a better value.
The 2024 TRD ORP W/KDSS I just bought is my fourth 4R, I have owned other brands of vehicles and nothing has the longevity and resale value of a 4R and a Tacoma, I just traded a 2020 TRD ORP W/KDSS and really didn't lose any money on this vehicle, as a matter of fact I paid $7K difference for a four year newer 4R
that the price has gone up over $10K on in the past four years.
I like my new 2024, seems like it's built better than my 2020, I also like the extra Cameras, heated steering wheel and Blind Spot Monitor, recalibrated radar cruise control and auto High beam work much better on this one.
One thing I am really happy about is the front left diff needle bearing noise that goes away when 4WD is engaged is totally non existent on this 2024.
I also noticed a bunch of other things about the 2024 that are better, brakes are better, seats seem more comfortable and power seats are smoother and not clunky like the 2020 seats. Stereo sounds better, doors close tighter, rear hatch opens and closes easier. LED Headlights and fog lights on the 2024 are leaps and bounds better. So when the 2025's come out I'll wait a couple of years and see how people like them and maybe trade again, if not, I'll just hang onto this one.
The main reason people buy these old school 4R's is the nostalgia, bullet proof reliability and resale value. The 4R has a cult like following kind of like a Airstream.

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I spent around three months looking at should I purchase a new 2024, or wait for the new 2025 model. I did go with the 2024 TRD Off Road model mainly because of the proven reliability of the vehicle, I didn't look at the price as the deciding factor in my decision. One thing that I think that will enter into new buyers' decision on what to buy is the new Land Cruiser will inter into the buying decision. Yes, the new Land Cruiser will cost more, but many may opt to pay more, just to step-up to the Land Cruiser, I would look at both and make my decision from there. I have a feeling this could affect the new 4 Runner sales as they have given the buyer another choice to choose from.
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The 2024 TRD ORP W/KDSS I just bought is my fourth 4R, I have owned other brands of vehicles and nothing has the longevity and resale value of a 4R and a Tacoma, I just traded a 2020 TRD ORP W/KDSS and really didn't lose any money on this vehicle, as a matter of fact I paid $7K difference for a four year newer 4R
that the price has gone up over $10K on in the past four years.
I like my new 2024, seems like it's built better than my 2020, I also like the extra Cameras, heated steering wheel and Blind Spot Monitor, recalibrated radar cruise control and auto High beam work much better on this one.
One thing I am really happy about is the front left diff needle bearing noise that goes away when 4WD is engaged is totally non existent on this 2024.
I also noticed a bunch of other things about the 2024 that are better, brakes are better, seats seem more comfortable and power seats are smoother and not clunky like the 2020 seats. Stereo sounds better, doors close tighter, rear hatch opens and closes easier. LED Headlights and fog lights on the 2024 are leaps and bounds better. So when the 2025's come out I'll wait a couple of years and see how people like them and maybe trade again, if not, I'll just hang onto this one.
The main reason people buy these old school 4R's is the nostalgia, bullet proof reliability and resale value. The 4R has a cult like following kind of like a Airstream.

Other than TSS features, heated steering wheel, headlights and newer headunit everything else is the same so you are have having major placebo effects. The needle bearing is still a hit or miss issue as well and may or may not be a problem later. Things just may feel smoother/better because it is a brand new vehicle but its still the same parts off the same production line.
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Pick up my 24 OPR tomorrow. Lease is ending on my 21 OPR and don't like the looks or the 4-cyl turbo of the 25 Runner so I'm gonna stick with the 5th gen. Toyota dropped the ball on the 6th gen...IMO. Who knows...it may grow on me over time. One thing that is concerning to me is the new price point of the 6th gen models. My dealer thinks easily 8-10% price increase like they did on the Tacoma. Might be a 5th gen owner for life
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Dealer told me Toyota Japan has been busy with order on the final run of the 5th gen before production begin on the 6h gen. Dealer said people are buying the hell out of the 5th gen in all trim levels anticipating much higher prices and unproven
reliability. Dealer told me that most are already pre sold before they come in.
They are giving discounts on the 5th.
The dealer is farming your fomo and will at the same time farm the hype for the new model. Its capitalism.

Why would they discount them unless they need to in order to sell? Think about that one.

As for this fomo inducing thread, There have been over 1.4 million 5G 4runners sold over 14 years in the US. They aren't going to up and disappear Fall 2024 when the 6G hits.

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Dealer told me Toyota Japan has been busy with order on the final run of the 5th gen before production begin on the 6h gen. Dealer said people are buying the hell out of the 5th gen in all trim levels anticipating much higher prices and unproven
reliability. Dealer told me that most are already pre sold before they come in.
They are giving discounts on the 5th.
I think There is probably some semblance of truth in what the dealer told you. I purchased a 2024 SR5 Premium last week. We traded a 2023 Crown. The Crown was fine, a very nice and sharp looking car. The fuel mileage was incredible. Unfortunately, my wife and I found ourselves more comfortable in my 2023 Tundra SR5 TRD Off Road 6.5 foot bed. Particularly on long trips. The plan was to keep the Crown for ten years while it was covered under the ten year extended warranty, and take advantage of the incredible savings on fuel, particularly if the cost of fuel goes up (even more). However after making a trip to the Northern part of our state of Maine to view the eclipse, and choosing to take the Tundra, we decided to rethink our plan. Two Pickup trucks seemed illogical, so the 4Runner was an easy choice. I am very much an " old School" proven reliability type guy. As such, I definitely wanted a Fifth generation 4Runner. Having said that, I am very happy with my Tundra, turbos and all. If the timing had been different, and I had a choice like I did this time, I would have chosen the proven 5.7 liter V8. Time will tell how the smaller displacement turbo charged engines stand up.Logic dictates that likely not as long as naturally aspirated engines that Toyota used for decades, however only the years and miles will tell the real story. I think Toyota typically tests things pretty extensively before going to market, and are typically fairly good at standing behind their product. Certaily for the warranty period. I have the ten year zero deductible platinum warranty on both vehicles. I think this is prudent with the cost of repairs on modern vehicles with so much technology. Particularly since these warranties are available at an "affordable" price, vs. other manufacturers. There is a reason for that. I am very happy to have purchased a new 4Runner with the unchanged proven reliable components. However, if the timing had been different, and the sixth generation was my only option, I would not hesitate. The new 4Runner seems to me like it will be a very cool, and sharp looking vehicle. It's likely to cost more, and reliability will be in question until proven otherwise. As I said, these vehicles can be warrantied for ten years. I am going to drive my Tundra and enjoy it. I hope those that buy a sixth generation 4 Runner do the same.
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Any 1st year vehical, even if it's been built for the last 30 years is a crap shoot IMO.
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I bought mine 6mos ago as a holdover while waiting to see what the gx550/lc250/6th gen would look like (and which to get). Wonder if others are the same. In terms of stock, there are almost 10 years worth of the exact same rig out there; doubtful it becomes rare for a long time. More likely price will be dictated by condition (unmodified low miles latest iteration).
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In terms of stock, there are almost 10 years worth of the exact same rig out there; doubtful it becomes rare for a long time. More likely price will be dictated by condition (unmodified low miles latest iteration).
No, it will not be "rare", but with it's reliability and off road performance above almost anything else, it is very desirable. Thus it will hold it's value for years and years.
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Other than TSS features, heated steering wheel, headlights and newer headunit everything else is the same so you are have having major placebo effects. The needle bearing is still a hit or miss issue as well and may or may not be a problem later. Things just may feel smoother/better because it is a brand new vehicle but its still the same parts off the same production line.
Found out that the front diff was updated to permanently address needle bearing issue, no placebo effect, I'm really enjoying everything about this 2024 4R, don't miss my 2020 at all.
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I'm about to sell my 2016 Trail to a friend, and I was going to buy a Bronco, but I can't configure exactly what I want for less than $65k. I think I may just buy another 5th gen if I can find a black one (TRD ORP or PRO).
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I'm about to sell my 2016 Trail to a friend, and I was going to buy a Bronco, but I can't configure exactly what I want for less than $65k. I think I may just buy another 5th gen if I can find a black one (TRD ORP or PRO).
You dont happen to want a white 4door sasquatch with hardtop and about 6,000 miles do you? Friend of mine is wanting to sell hers just listed it last night.
For $65k you would get a whole lot of 4R and a lot of cash to add goodies on it.
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At this point in time between the 5th gen being outdated yet pretty expensive, and the 6th gen being overpriced and possibly not as reliable while still underpowered there are better options.

for an SUV I would look at a Bronco raptor or sasquatch; if open to a truck, ranger raptor or ZR2 bison. If willing to go bigger, f150 raptor or ram trx for a little more.

If I didn't have my 5th gen already and was currently shopping the market I would count toyota out of my list.
Bronco Raptor more reliable than a Toyota 4Runner? What are you smoking? Also Raptor prices are ridiculously high.
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Bronco Raptor more reliable than a Toyota 4Runner? What are you smoking? Also Raptor prices are ridiculously high.
Possibly more reliable than the NEW 2025 4runner. Not the current one.
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You dont happen to want a white 4door sasquatch with hardtop and about 6,000 miles do you? Friend of mine is wanting to sell hers just listed it last night.
For $65k you would get a whole lot of 4R and a lot of cash to add goodies on it.
depending on what trim level it is, yeah I'd check it out.
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