Ok fullsize but is it a matching wheel (alloy) or is it a steelie?

From cmar's Atl pictures it looks like the rear wiper was deleted unless its mounted up high under the spoiler now.

The spoiler is now standard and part of the truck with the guts to the rear wiper system up under neath it.

Yes the wiper is still there it just hangs above the window now

Yeah, that's what I said. You must have misread my post.

That's not surprising at all. Most new cars don't even have locks on the passenger side door anymore. And that makes perfect sense because nobody uses the key to get in these days. My 4Runner key has only been used in the ignition, never once in any of the doors. So as far as I'm concerned, they can eliminate the locks altogether. Well, maybe just leave one so that if my keyfob battery dies, I can still get into my 4Runner.

Well, that is definitely an upgrade in my book. I like the idea of a rear spoiler being standard across the board, and I love the idea of the rear wiper being hidden up under it. That's just like the Land Rover Range Rover's rear wiper. You can't even tell it's there until it is in use.

Depends on your viewpoint, I guess. I don't find it depressing at all.

Seems to me like Toyota is getting the 4runner back to its roots as a rugged, off-road capable SUV.

If you don't go off road and want full time 4wd plus the 3rd row seat, Toyota will be happy to sell you a Highlander or a RAV4.

If you pull a big trailer and need that V-8 power, Toyota will be happy to sell you a Sequoia.

If you demand all the bling and are willing to pay for it, Toyota will sell you a Lexus GX (AKA Prado) or a 200 series LC.

As for the price, we won't really know what the price is until they start selling. Few vehicles sell at MSRP unless they're in high demand. My guess is that like the FJC the 5th gen 4runner will be in high demand for a while and then as demand tapers off we can expect prices to fall.

Also, depending on whether the economy rebounds and/or gas prices stay low, I could see Toyota introducing a V8 option in a year or so. Ditto for the multimode T-case.

My only gripe would be that the rear locker will apparently only be on the TE model which will account for a small portion of the total made, meaning that when these vehicles hit the used market, the vast majority will be SR5s without the rear locker. Of course, for most of its life the 4th gen wasn't even available with a rear locker, so it's not like that's a huge negative. And obviously anybody who really wants a rear locker can add an ARB unit for around $1k, so, really that's a minor quibble.

It will be interesting to see how ARB and the other aftermarket companies figure out how to outfit the 5th gen.

I think it's just a steel spare wheel with a matching stock tire.

Also, all 4runners have rear windshields but they are tucked up top.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ3n11WCwCE

I did misread it. I read the "these 2 are on all 4th gen" and then associated it with the bullet points below the statement (when it applied to the bullets above). I posted early this morning with not much sleep last night

my bad

Well thats pretty damn cool!

Bye bye to 5 tire rotations.

I agree with those points;it seems Toyota might be narrowing the target buyers with the 5th gen since they already have 5 other SUVs and a minivan to fill pretty much every need. I also think the rumors will be true that Toyota will discontinue the FJ in the next couple of years which will send alot of those potential buyers to the 4Runner.
I'm sure Toyota will lose some buyers to other brands but it's the risk they are willing to take considering the uncertain future of the economy.

You are absolutly correct in this regard. The issue was that the SR5 and TE dont have a matching Aluminum Alloy type spare wheel but rather have a full size basic steel wheel. No more 5 wheel rotations.

Is there anything on the 4th gen that is the same on the 5th gen?

They both have 4 wheels and a driver seat.

They both kick ass.

They lost me when they discontinued the manual transmission in the 4Runner. Too bad I'm in the minority.

The wheelbase is the same, so I suspect that the frame is a 4th gen frame with minor changes. I also suspect that much of the suspension is the same. Probably lots of other parts (e.g., seat frame rails, heater core, etc., etc.).