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4x4, but not on dry pavement?
Ive owned the 4th gen 4R before my current 5th gen. I was told that i can keep my 4x4 on all the time on my 4th gen. But now with the 5th gen I heard that I cant keep it on all the time. Is this true? If yes, why and what changed? What will happen if I used the 4x4 when it rains or snows vs. if the pavement is dry? Appreciate any help. Thanks in advance!
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07-08-2010, 05:59 PM
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This is correct. They removed the Torsen center differential on all but the Limited models. Using the part-time system on dry pavement will cause binding in turns and is not good for it.
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07-08-2010, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ssmathis
This is correct. They removed the Torsen center differential on all but the Limited models. Using the part-time system on dry pavement will cause binding in turns and is not good for it.
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Thanks for the quick response. But I have a follow up ?.... What happens if its raining/or snow on the ground and I come up to an area with dry ground (happens more often than yo umight think in NYC), and then in about a half mile later, the ground is wet again, from melting snow or what have you....?
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07-08-2010, 06:37 PM
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Driving in a straight line isn't a problem but if you are turning in that half-mile then the system can bind up and could, could, cause damage. I'm not saying this will happen but I have seen it done before. It may be safer to just put it in to and out of 4wd when that happens. Kind of a pain and why some complain about the elimination of the torsen center diff. I know how you feel as we can get the same scenario in Colorado.
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07-08-2010, 07:55 PM
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You can drive it on any surface with no problems. Just don't make turns with 4wd engaged.
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07-08-2010, 08:43 PM
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You can drive it on any surface with no problems. Just don't make turns ON DRY PAVEMENT with 4wd engaged.
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07-08-2010, 08:51 PM
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got it. so in other words,pray for either a dry winter or a heavy snow winter. lol.
All kidding aside, I really appreciate your prompt responses on this thread. I am clear as to what to do and not do with 4wd.
Now all that is left to figure out is center dif lock, atrac, vsc, etc. But that is another thread for another time.
Thanks again everybody!
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07-08-2010, 08:56 PM
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Now all that is left to figure out is center dif lock, atrac, vsc, etc.
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So you have a LE correct? If so IGNORE everything said above. The dry pavement only applies to 'part time' systems, (SR5 & TE), the LE has a 'full-time' system, no damage will happen (assuming you did mean center dif lock and not rear dif lock, because then you would have a TE)
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07-08-2010, 09:04 PM
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So you have a LE correct? If so IGNORE everything said above. The dry pavement only applies to 'part time' systems, (SR5 & TE), the LE has a 'full-time' system, no damage will happen (assuming you did mean center dif lock and not rear dif lock, because then you would have a TE)
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I have a TE. So it still applies to me, I guess. Just wondering why Toyota would take the Torsen out of the equation for their "rebirth" (as some people are calling it) of the 4R...
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07-08-2010, 09:10 PM
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In my option it's more of "Back to it's roots". I think the 5th Gen TE looks a lot like the 3rd Gen. They brought back the locker etc...
The Torsen would have made the price go up even more.
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I have a TE. So it still applies to me, I guess. Just wondering why Toyota would take the Torsen out of the equation for their "rebirth" (as some people are calling it) of the 4R...
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Ok, so you have the REAR dif lock, not the CENTER lock  As you said though, you can save that for a different thread, or do a search on this forum, a lot has been said on the VSC, TRAC, Lock, etc. Would save a lot of time and get all the answers you need.
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Quote:
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Thanks for the quick response. But I have a follow up ?.... What happens if its raining/or snow on the ground and I come up to an area with dry ground (happens more often than yo umight think in NYC), and then in about a half mile later, the ground is wet again, from melting snow or what have you....?
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That right there is the big disadvantage that the lack of a center differential causes. It's nice to just put it in 4wd HI and not worry about changing road conditions. To have that capability in the 5th gen, you have to buy a Limited. Otherwise, you're stuck with a part-time 4wd system that does not have a center differential.
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07-08-2010, 11:00 PM
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I think people make too big of a deal over not having a center differential. It's NOT hard to press in a button to engage 4wd.
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Originally Posted by Clemsonfan15
I think people make too big of a deal over not having a center differential. It's NOT hard to press in a button to engage 4wd.
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No, it's actually very easy to push a button. That's true. But it's even easier to drive in changing snow conditions without having to worry about hitting the button on and off.
You don't realize how awesome it is to have a center diff until you actually have one that you've used for a while. I generally keep my 4Runner in 4HI all winter long and only switch back to 2HI in the spring. It has even helped me in the rain to keep it in 4wd.
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No, it's actually very easy to push a button. That's true. But it's even easier to drive in changing snow conditions without having to worry about hitting the button on and off.
You don't realize how awesome it is to have a center diff until you actually have one that you've used for a while. I generally keep my 4Runner in 4HI all winter long and only switch back to 2HI in the spring. It has even helped me in the rain to keep it in 4wd.
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