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Old 08-15-2019, 03:16 PM #16
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Interesting, I would have thought otherwise. I love a manual transmission and always seek them out, but as time goes on it only gets harder and harder to acquire as manufactures just make less. Iíll be honest that most all my manual transmission vehicles were carsÖ



Perhaps itís the general user base of new car buyers who are commuters and donít really care to want or experience manual transmission. Maybe I am a rare breed, I am someone who has always said the driving test should be passed in a manual.
Yes, I as well. But we are few and far between. 99.9% of people don't want manual.
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I'll keep driving my 2000 5-speed manual until Toyota can come up with a new 4Runner with a third pedal.

I don't care what 99.4% of the population feels about manuals, it's all I want to drive.
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Seems to be, once a manual option is gone (from any manufacturer/model) it never comes back.
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Aside from it not being a good financial decision, the epa shuts this down. The gas mileage is not good enough with the manual.
Gas mileage is still usually better with a manual transmission. Years ago it wasn't even close. Today many automatics have tied it up as they cram 15 speeds into auto transmissions, and a few CVTs have pulled ahead, but they're the exception, not the rule.
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Donít see it happening. Last manual was the 3rd gen and manuals donít sell well anymore. Even Porsche isnít gonna offer a manual 911 Carrara in the new generation anymore I donít think


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Gas mileage is still usually better with a manual transmission. Years ago it wasn't even close. Today many automatics have tied it up as they cram 15 speeds into auto transmissions, and a few CVTs have pulled ahead, but they're the exception, not the rule.
Not with the Tacoma or 4runner (if they were to put it in there). The manual trans ratio puts the final gear at a higher rpm than the auto. It absolutely will not have better mileage. You can't out drive it.

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everyone with half a brain knows the answer to this question.

time to lock this thread.
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I would really love if they release a Manual Transmission. I have been waiting for that like forever.
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AT can tow more
AT is more reliable
AT is better off road
AT is more durable (see T/O bearing problems with the 6MT)
AT gets better gas mileage
AT is better in traffic
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The manual transmission tacoma's are a lot of fun to drive.
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AT can tow more
AT is more reliable
AT is better off road
AT is more durable (see T/O bearing problems with the 6MT)
AT gets better gas mileage
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Just straight wrong on almost every point. One issue with one MT component doesn't make it more reliable or durable. People absolutely beat the snot out of almost every series of Toyota MTs with virtually no issues. I own several ATs and am well aware of serious, not uncommon failures with both, and these are some of the stronger trans. Ever have your MT back flush radiator fluid into it? Of course not. Crap out at ~150k like multiple member here have posted about on every generation of TrRs? Nope. Saying this statement on any actual offroading forum would get you laughed off the page.

Towing is identical. As far as lifespan with regular towing, even with a trans cooler? Good luck with that AT, you'll need it, but an MT wouldn't even know the difference.

AT fluid is black after 50k miles, MT is still golden honey well into six digits.

Offroad performance depends on driving style. Auto can crawl more easily but also prone to surging once you get over any obstacle leading to gas/brake/gas/brake driving. Manual with low gearing, and esp with aftermarket gearing is more consistent power. Driven both many, many times and I greatly prefer manual, as do most who have the option.

Traffic is the single point I agree with, but I've met people who prefer manual even there. Gas mileage is debatable these days, likely due to R&D budget difference but for years MT had it locked down.

Hills? Nah bruh. Do you even shift?

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Not with the Tacoma or 4runner (if they were to put it in there). The manual trans ratio puts the final gear at a higher rpm than the auto. It absolutely will not have better mileage. You can't out drive it.

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The latest trans have a 1mpg diff in favor of auto, and that's with hundreds of millions of dollars R&D difference in spending on auto vs manual. EPA isn't shutting down anything over 1mpg, and if Toyota put a fraction of development $ into manual that they do into auto they could change that pretty easily. They won't, because the demand isn't there.

I prefer AT for daily driving in the Boston traffic I deal with regularly but love my MT for other situations, and it is much more fun to drive. If I had to pick one it'd be AT so I don't blame people shelling out for new cars for setting the current trend but will be a sad day when I have to sell last MT and can't find another at a reasonable price.
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Just straight wrong on almost every point. One issue with one MT component doesn't make it more reliable or durable. People absolutely beat the snot out of almost every series of Toyota MTs with virtually no issues. I own several ATs and am well aware of serious, not uncommon failures with both, and these are some of the stronger trans. Ever have your MT back flush radiator fluid into it? Of course not. Crap out at ~150k like multiple member here have posted about on every generation of TrRs? Nope. Saying this statement on any actual offroading forum would get you laughed off the page.

Towing is identical. As far as lifespan with regular towing, even with a trans cooler? Good luck with that AT, you'll need it, but an MT wouldn't even know the difference.

AT fluid is black after 50k miles, MT is still golden honey well into six digits.

Offroad performance depends on driving style. Auto can crawl more easily but also prone to surging once you get over any obstacle leading to gas/brake/gas/brake driving. Manual with low gearing, and esp with aftermarket gearing is more consistent power. Driven both many, many times and I greatly prefer manual, as do most who have the option.

Traffic is the single point I agree with, but I've met people who prefer manual even there. Gas mileage is debatable these days, likely due to R&D budget difference but for years MT had it locked down.

Hills? Nah bruh. Do you even shift?



The latest trans have a 1mpg diff in favor of auto, and that's with hundreds of millions of dollars R&D difference in spending on auto vs manual. EPA isn't shutting down anything over 1mpg, and if Toyota put a fraction of development $ into manual that they do into auto they could change that pretty easily. They won't, because the demand isn't there.

I prefer AT for daily driving in the Boston traffic I deal with regularly but love my MT for other situations, and it is much more fun to drive. If I had to pick one it'd be AT so I don't blame people shelling out for new cars for setting the current trend but will be a sad day when I have to sell last MT and can't find another at a reasonable price.
Lol, an 80s Toyota with 14 hp isn't going to abuse any drivetrain.

That's why the MTs in the Land Cruisers lasted so long.
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Lol, an 80s Toyota with 14 hp isn't going to abuse any drivetrain.

That's why the MTs in the Land Cruisers lasted so long.
Mhmm. Glad you find the made up stats amusing. Here are the actual numbers. Stock 3.4 L Toyota made around 220 ft lb torque, paired to an R series gearbox, current 4runners are around 280 and auto. Difference of 20%. Supercharged 3.4s make north of 300 torque and tuned can make well over that. The auto transmission required upgrades to be able to handle the supercharger and was still more prone to failure, the manual never did.

All auto trans are a major issue, majority of the time I see a rig being parted out for a reason other than a crash or rotten frame it's a blown auto transmission. Almost never see a blown 5 speed, despite almost everyone around here who wheels hard running them. The R series was in use from late 80's into early 2000s, and guys have mated them up to all sorts of high torque applications without issue. Plenty have tuned up 2jz to 500 hp on stock manual drivetrains, and they generally lose the rear end before the trans.

I still have an R series trans listed for sale, for cheap, for almost a year, and I haven't been able to sell it. They never break, nobody needs it. Last auto I sold went for 4 times the price in about a month.

Anyone who knows the mechanics of auto vs manual trans knows why autos will always fail before manual. The only way to lose a manual is if you don't know how to shift and strip your brass synchros (and even then it'll still drive) or run it with filthy fluid for 200k miles and ruin a bearing, and again it will still run for 10k+ miles with a howling bearing. Theyre' just metal and oil. Autos have heat sensitive components, solenoids to fail, multiple clutches to wear out, dozens of tiny pathways to clog, etc. New ones are better than the older ones in many ways but the basic technology is still the same, and still prone to the same failures.

Saying that autos are more reliable and durable than manuals is just absurd. They have plenty of benefits but these are certainly not it, by a long shot, and anyone who says they are doesn't know very much about cars.
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