User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 08-15-2019, 03:16 PM #16
gainman gainman is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 160
gainman will become famous soon enough
gainman gainman is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 160
gainman will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bumbo View Post
Interesting, I would have thought otherwise. I love a manual transmission and always seek them out, but as time goes on it only gets harder and harder to acquire as manufactures just make less. I’ll be honest that most all my manual transmission vehicles were cars…



Perhaps it’s the general user base of new car buyers who are commuters and don’t really care to want or experience manual transmission. Maybe I am a rare breed, I am someone who has always said the driving test should be passed in a manual.
Yes, I as well. But we are few and far between. 99.9% of people don't want manual.
gainman is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 08-22-2019, 11:13 AM #17
paddlenbike's Avatar
paddlenbike paddlenbike is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: CA
Posts: 699
paddlenbike will become famous soon enough
paddlenbike paddlenbike is offline
Member
paddlenbike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: CA
Posts: 699
paddlenbike will become famous soon enough
I'll keep driving my 2000 5-speed manual until Toyota can come up with a new 4Runner with a third pedal.

I don't care what 99.4% of the population feels about manuals, it's all I want to drive.
__________________
2000 4Runner 4WD - lifted, e-locked, TRD supercharged 5-speed | MY BUILD THREAD
paddlenbike is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 08-23-2019, 10:04 PM #18
Jernik's Avatar
Jernik Jernik is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Katy TX
Posts: 806
Real Name: Jeremy
Jernik is a jewel in the rough Jernik is a jewel in the rough Jernik is a jewel in the rough
Jernik Jernik is offline
Member
Jernik's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Katy TX
Posts: 806
Real Name: Jeremy
Jernik is a jewel in the rough Jernik is a jewel in the rough Jernik is a jewel in the rough
Seems to be, once a manual option is gone (from any manufacturer/model) it never comes back.
__________________
Toyota noob
Jernik is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 08-23-2019, 11:31 PM #19
jbtvt's Avatar
jbtvt jbtvt is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: NH
Posts: 412
jbtvt has a spectacular aura about jbtvt has a spectacular aura about
jbtvt jbtvt is offline
Member
jbtvt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: NH
Posts: 412
jbtvt has a spectacular aura about jbtvt has a spectacular aura about
Quote:
Originally Posted by gainman View Post
Aside from it not being a good financial decision, the epa shuts this down. The gas mileage is not good enough with the manual.
Gas mileage is still usually better with a manual transmission. Years ago it wasn't even close. Today many automatics have tied it up as they cram 15 speeds into auto transmissions, and a few CVTs have pulled ahead, but they're the exception, not the rule.
__________________
'85 4Runner, 22re 5spd; '90 4Runner, 5spd, 3.4 swap
'98 GS400 1uz; '07 GX470 2uz
jbtvt is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 10-08-2019, 07:59 PM #20
WhiteMaxima WhiteMaxima is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 2
WhiteMaxima is on a distinguished road
WhiteMaxima WhiteMaxima is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 2
WhiteMaxima is on a distinguished road
A TRD Tacoma 6MT
WhiteMaxima is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 11-19-2019, 09:16 PM #21
zxing zxing is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2019
Posts: 17
zxing is on a distinguished road
zxing zxing is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2019
Posts: 17
zxing is on a distinguished road
Don’t see it happening. Last manual was the 3rd gen and manuals don’t sell well anymore. Even Porsche isn’t gonna offer a manual 911 Carrara in the new generation anymore I don’t think


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
zxing is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 11-19-2019, 09:20 PM #22
gainman gainman is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 160
gainman will become famous soon enough
gainman gainman is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 160
gainman will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by jbtvt View Post
Gas mileage is still usually better with a manual transmission. Years ago it wasn't even close. Today many automatics have tied it up as they cram 15 speeds into auto transmissions, and a few CVTs have pulled ahead, but they're the exception, not the rule.
Not with the Tacoma or 4runner (if they were to put it in there). The manual trans ratio puts the final gear at a higher rpm than the auto. It absolutely will not have better mileage. You can't out drive it.

Sent from my SM-N975U1 using Tapatalk
gainman is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 11-20-2019, 01:48 PM #23
mesooohoppy mesooohoppy is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2019
Posts: 580
mesooohoppy has a spectacular aura about mesooohoppy has a spectacular aura about mesooohoppy has a spectacular aura about
mesooohoppy mesooohoppy is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2019
Posts: 580
mesooohoppy has a spectacular aura about mesooohoppy has a spectacular aura about mesooohoppy has a spectacular aura about
everyone with half a brain knows the answer to this question.

time to lock this thread.
__________________
99 4runner limited; imperial jade mica
IG: mesooohoppy
mesooohoppy is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 11-20-2019, 10:04 PM #24
Mathmatic Mathmatic is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Montreal
Posts: 16
Mathmatic is on a distinguished road
Mathmatic Mathmatic is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Montreal
Posts: 16
Mathmatic is on a distinguished road
4RUNNER DIESEL | Diesel Toys(R) |TOYOTA DIESEL CONVERSIONS There is your stick shift 5th Gen 4 runner
Mathmatic is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 11-21-2019, 08:33 PM #25
Forcipate Forcipate is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2019
Location: Ashburn
Posts: 2
Forcipate is on a distinguished road
Forcipate Forcipate is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2019
Location: Ashburn
Posts: 2
Forcipate is on a distinguished road
I would really love if they release a Manual Transmission. I have been waiting for that like forever. Like I have been waiting for the new streamlight flashlight that can be considered one of the Best Streamlight Flashlight, can't wait.
__________________
..

Last edited by Forcipate; 01-05-2020 at 11:58 AM.
Forcipate is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 11-22-2019, 07:17 PM #26
LandCruiser's Avatar
LandCruiser LandCruiser is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: East Bay
Posts: 4,584
Real Name: Sparky
LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of
LandCruiser LandCruiser is offline
Senior Member
LandCruiser's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: East Bay
Posts: 4,584
Real Name: Sparky
LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of
AT can tow more
AT is more reliable
AT is better off road
AT is more durable (see T/O bearing problems with the 6MT)
AT gets better gas mileage
AT is better in traffic
AT is better on hills
__________________
Old and (c)rusty.
LandCruiser is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 11-22-2019, 10:15 PM #27
spartacus's Avatar
spartacus spartacus is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: denver
Posts: 3,010
spartacus has much to be proud of spartacus has much to be proud of spartacus has much to be proud of spartacus has much to be proud of spartacus has much to be proud of spartacus has much to be proud of spartacus has much to be proud of spartacus has much to be proud of spartacus has much to be proud of
spartacus spartacus is offline
Senior Member
spartacus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: denver
Posts: 3,010
spartacus has much to be proud of spartacus has much to be proud of spartacus has much to be proud of spartacus has much to be proud of spartacus has much to be proud of spartacus has much to be proud of spartacus has much to be proud of spartacus has much to be proud of spartacus has much to be proud of
The manual transmission tacoma's are a lot of fun to drive.
spartacus is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 11-24-2019, 11:26 AM #28
jbtvt's Avatar
jbtvt jbtvt is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: NH
Posts: 412
jbtvt has a spectacular aura about jbtvt has a spectacular aura about
jbtvt jbtvt is offline
Member
jbtvt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: NH
Posts: 412
jbtvt has a spectacular aura about jbtvt has a spectacular aura about
Quote:
Originally Posted by LandCruiser View Post
AT can tow more
AT is more reliable
AT is better off road
AT is more durable (see T/O bearing problems with the 6MT)
AT gets better gas mileage
AT is better in traffic
AT is better on hills
Just straight wrong on almost every point. One issue with one MT component doesn't make it more reliable or durable. People absolutely beat the snot out of almost every series of Toyota MTs with virtually no issues. I own several ATs and am well aware of serious, not uncommon failures with both, and these are some of the stronger trans. Ever have your MT back flush radiator fluid into it? Of course not. Crap out at ~150k like multiple member here have posted about on every generation of TrRs? Nope. Saying this statement on any actual offroading forum would get you laughed off the page.

Towing is identical. As far as lifespan with regular towing, even with a trans cooler? Good luck with that AT, you'll need it, but an MT wouldn't even know the difference.

AT fluid is black after 50k miles, MT is still golden honey well into six digits.

Offroad performance depends on driving style. Auto can crawl more easily but also prone to surging once you get over any obstacle leading to gas/brake/gas/brake driving. Manual with low gearing, and esp with aftermarket gearing is more consistent power. Driven both many, many times and I greatly prefer manual, as do most who have the option.

Traffic is the single point I agree with, but I've met people who prefer manual even there. Gas mileage is debatable these days, likely due to R&D budget difference but for years MT had it locked down.

Hills? Nah bruh. Do you even shift?

Quote:
Originally Posted by gainman View Post
Not with the Tacoma or 4runner (if they were to put it in there). The manual trans ratio puts the final gear at a higher rpm than the auto. It absolutely will not have better mileage. You can't out drive it.

Sent from my SM-N975U1 using Tapatalk
The latest trans have a 1mpg diff in favor of auto, and that's with hundreds of millions of dollars R&D difference in spending on auto vs manual. EPA isn't shutting down anything over 1mpg, and if Toyota put a fraction of development $ into manual that they do into auto they could change that pretty easily. They won't, because the demand isn't there.

I prefer AT for daily driving in the Boston traffic I deal with regularly but love my MT for other situations, and it is much more fun to drive. If I had to pick one it'd be AT so I don't blame people shelling out for new cars for setting the current trend but will be a sad day when I have to sell last MT and can't find another at a reasonable price.
__________________
'85 4Runner, 22re 5spd; '90 4Runner, 5spd, 3.4 swap
'98 GS400 1uz; '07 GX470 2uz
jbtvt is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 11-24-2019, 03:53 PM #29
LandCruiser's Avatar
LandCruiser LandCruiser is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: East Bay
Posts: 4,584
Real Name: Sparky
LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of
LandCruiser LandCruiser is offline
Senior Member
LandCruiser's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: East Bay
Posts: 4,584
Real Name: Sparky
LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of LandCruiser has much to be proud of
Quote:
Originally Posted by jbtvt View Post
Just straight wrong on almost every point. One issue with one MT component doesn't make it more reliable or durable. People absolutely beat the snot out of almost every series of Toyota MTs with virtually no issues. I own several ATs and am well aware of serious, not uncommon failures with both, and these are some of the stronger trans. Ever have your MT back flush radiator fluid into it? Of course not. Crap out at ~150k like multiple member here have posted about on every generation of TrRs? Nope. Saying this statement on any actual offroading forum would get you laughed off the page.

Towing is identical. As far as lifespan with regular towing, even with a trans cooler? Good luck with that AT, you'll need it, but an MT wouldn't even know the difference.

AT fluid is black after 50k miles, MT is still golden honey well into six digits.

Offroad performance depends on driving style. Auto can crawl more easily but also prone to surging once you get over any obstacle leading to gas/brake/gas/brake driving. Manual with low gearing, and esp with aftermarket gearing is more consistent power. Driven both many, many times and I greatly prefer manual, as do most who have the option.

Traffic is the single point I agree with, but I've met people who prefer manual even there. Gas mileage is debatable these days, likely due to R&D budget difference but for years MT had it locked down.

Hills? Nah bruh. Do you even shift?



The latest trans have a 1mpg diff in favor of auto, and that's with hundreds of millions of dollars R&D difference in spending on auto vs manual. EPA isn't shutting down anything over 1mpg, and if Toyota put a fraction of development $ into manual that they do into auto they could change that pretty easily. They won't, because the demand isn't there.

I prefer AT for daily driving in the Boston traffic I deal with regularly but love my MT for other situations, and it is much more fun to drive. If I had to pick one it'd be AT so I don't blame people shelling out for new cars for setting the current trend but will be a sad day when I have to sell last MT and can't find another at a reasonable price.
Lol, an 80s Toyota with 14 hp isn't going to abuse any drivetrain.

That's why the MTs in the Land Cruisers lasted so long.
__________________
Old and (c)rusty.
LandCruiser is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 11-24-2019, 05:10 PM #30
jbtvt's Avatar
jbtvt jbtvt is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: NH
Posts: 412
jbtvt has a spectacular aura about jbtvt has a spectacular aura about
jbtvt jbtvt is offline
Member
jbtvt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: NH
Posts: 412
jbtvt has a spectacular aura about jbtvt has a spectacular aura about
Quote:
Originally Posted by LandCruiser View Post
Lol, an 80s Toyota with 14 hp isn't going to abuse any drivetrain.

That's why the MTs in the Land Cruisers lasted so long.
Mhmm. Glad you find the made up stats amusing. Here are the actual numbers. Stock 3.4 L Toyota made around 220 ft lb torque, paired to an R series gearbox, current 4runners are around 280 and auto. Difference of 20%. Supercharged 3.4s make north of 300 torque and tuned can make well over that. The auto transmission required upgrades to be able to handle the supercharger and was still more prone to failure, the manual never did.

All auto trans are a major issue, majority of the time I see a rig being parted out for a reason other than a crash or rotten frame it's a blown auto transmission. Almost never see a blown 5 speed, despite almost everyone around here who wheels hard running them. The R series was in use from late 80's into early 2000s, and guys have mated them up to all sorts of high torque applications without issue. Plenty have tuned up 2jz to 500 hp on stock manual drivetrains, and they generally lose the rear end before the trans.

I still have an R series trans listed for sale, for cheap, for almost a year, and I haven't been able to sell it. They never break, nobody needs it. Last auto I sold went for 4 times the price in about a month.

Anyone who knows the mechanics of auto vs manual trans knows why autos will always fail before manual. The only way to lose a manual is if you don't know how to shift and strip your brass synchros (and even then it'll still drive) or run it with filthy fluid for 200k miles and ruin a bearing, and again it will still run for 10k+ miles with a howling bearing. Theyre' just metal and oil. Autos have heat sensitive components, solenoids to fail, multiple clutches to wear out, dozens of tiny pathways to clog, etc. New ones are better than the older ones in many ways but the basic technology is still the same, and still prone to the same failures.

Saying that autos are more reliable and durable than manuals is just absurd. They have plenty of benefits but these are certainly not it, by a long shot, and anyone who says they are doesn't know very much about cars.
__________________
'85 4Runner, 22re 5spd; '90 4Runner, 5spd, 3.4 swap
'98 GS400 1uz; '07 GX470 2uz
jbtvt is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Reply

Tags
bronco , manual , replace , truck , wrangler

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
New trans cooler and radiator - should I get rad for manual trans? dogbreath650 3rd gen T4Rs 3 06-06-2017 02:14 PM
Automatic trans to manual trans zachoffmn1 Classic T4Rs 3 07-31-2015 01:00 AM
Best Manual Trans fluid for 3rd Gen? Av8tir 3rd gen T4Rs 15 10-01-2014 02:00 PM
4.7 manual trans DixieNormus 4th Gen T4Rs 4 12-03-2013 06:28 PM
WTB: 99 t4r manual trans crush Want to Buy/Trade 0 07-28-2011 05:58 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:35 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
***This site is an unofficial Toyota site, and is not officially endorsed, supported, authorized by or affiliated with Toyota. All company, product, or service names references in this web site are used for identification purposes only and may be trademarks of their respective owners. The Toyota name, marks, designs and logos, as well as Toyota model names, are registered trademarks of Toyota Motor Corporation***Ad Management plugin by RedTyger
 
Copyright © 2020