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Old 10-13-2019, 10:59 PM #16
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I live in the heart of the Colorado mountains and have for 31+ years - Gunnison.

I can't speak directly for the 4Runner as I just got mine this summer. But many, many people get around just fine on all season tires on everything. Subarus certainly get around fine without winter specific tires. We've been driving a Suby for more than 1/2 of our time in CO and it goes just fine.

I plan to stay with the stock tires unless it's proven to me that they just won't work. Got by for 15 years in my Tacoma with tires like Generals, etc.

FWIW I drive cautiously and a little slowly, but I drive through anything and everything in all kinds of weather.

That said, if I lived on the front range or drove I70, and was in a situation where job demands or whatever meant I sometimes had to drive, then I'd certainly consider the winter tires. Not because of the weather but because there are a lot of idiots in the world.
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I am in Canada, and sold my second set and 2nd rims and now run BFG KO2 year round.
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Reviving this thread due to relevant experiences.

Snow today in CO and oh boy did I see a lot of trucks with ATs, and others to be fair, having a bad day on Berthoud pass.

Near the top of the pass on the Clear Creek side: F-150 suck in the middle of the roadway with a red suv trying, and failing, to tow the guy the last 1000 yards to the parking lot at the top of the pass. They were just crabbing sideways toward the shoulder.

A few more 1500s pulled off to the side of the road with their flashers on.

Two jacknifed tractor-trailers in the roadway halfway down - one with a rental car buried in the rear bumper of the trailer. One idiot was chaining up his rig while it was half buried in the shoulder ditch.

Some poor guy in a Tundra nearly jacknifed his empty trailer while skidding through a red light on the West Side near the resort.

I had my snows put on the DD last week and had zero issues. Did a few traction checks in spots I saw others just stuck, spun, or otherwise having an interesting afternoon and I had no problems at all.

So, again, if you rarely drive the mountains or can stay home when it gets bad / are sure you'll never encounter unexpected weather then All Season ATs may be fine for you. Personally, I prefer to avoid any white knuckle moments when I'm trying to get somewhere.
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I switched to BFG KO2, so far like them and heard great results from the snow ratings!
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I get having winter tires for playing out of the city. Never been stuck in city limits no matter what tire I have. wait i did... in my late 60's beetle which had a chewed up reverse gear.
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Not getting stuck is one thing but actually stopping, which is likely more important than anything, is another.

Unless you’re driving some sort of heavy duty off-road tire then I cannot imagine you would live near the Rockies and not have winter tires. I would also consider it irresponsible to deliberately drive without winter tires. Never mind your own life, you are endangering others and potentially causing congestion if you’re ever that person that gets stuck on an icy hill (4wd doesn’t always make a difference) blocking everyone else behind you. The tread compound on winter tires is specifically designed for cold temps. All-season and all-terrain tires are less useful/safe when you compare to a proper winter tire. I also got 6 seasons out of my Michelin x-ice xi2’s so yeah you need to buy extra tires up front but you’re also extending the overall life of your tires too.
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I know people are mentioning the KO2, but what load range are you using? It makes a huge difference. I had a E load KO2 and it was not to my liking.
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Not getting stuck is one thing but actually stopping, which is likely more important than anything, is another.
This times 10.

Your MT, AT or M+S type tires with 4WD will make you feel like a hero when accelerating or keeping momentum on snow or ice. However, your truck weighs 6,300 pounds and stopping on slippery snow or ice is going to be terrible without dedicated winter tires, which not only have deep treads, but also many more sipes and – mostly importantly – much more pliant rubber that doesn’t turn into a rock below 45 degrees.

It was all talk for me (and I was fine for several winters) until my 4Runner slid 30 feet on black ice down my own street while I was going no more than 2 mph in 4Lo – straight through a stop sign into oncoming traffic. Not a fun day, and I am sure it was 100% because the tires were not winter tires.

I have since replaced the Nitto Terra Grapplers with Blizzaks for the winter and the difference is very noticeable. Also, they look cool.

Lastly: regardless of what tires you run in the winter, drive extra slow because you are in a big SUV (momentum = mass x velocity).
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Winter Tires VS All Season AT's

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This times 10.



Your MT, AT or M+S type tires with 4WD will make you feel like a hero when accelerating or keeping momentum on snow or ice. However, your truck weighs 6,300 pounds and stopping on slippery snow or ice is going to be terrible without dedicated winter tires, which not only have deep treads, but also many more sipes and – mostly importantly – much more pliant rubber that doesn’t turn into a rock below 45 degrees.



It was all talk for me (and I was fine for several winters) until my 4Runner slid 30 feet on black ice down my own street while I was going no more than 2 mph in 4Lo – straight through a stop sign into oncoming traffic. Not a fun day, and I am sure it was 100% because the tires were not winter tires.



I have since replaced the Nitto Terra Grapplers with Blizzaks for the winter and the difference is very noticeable. Also, they look cool.



Lastly: regardless of what tires you run in the winter, drive extra slow because you are in a big SUV (momentum = mass x velocity).


Sums it up. If you live anywhere that has harsh conditions, winter tires are a must, but you must also know your area. I wouldn’t dream of living in the mountains of CO and not having winter tires. I live in lame Illinois where the land is as flat as the taxes are high, and even with good snows there isn’t much need for a winter tires on this vehicle. It’s simply the truth. Would it perform better? Heck yes. Is it necessary? No, especially when Mr. Attorney is calling his city to b-tch that there’s a 1/2” of snow on the road and no plows.

So all I’ll say is know your area and be responsible. Stopping is certainly where snow tires and yes, mountain peak snowflake rated tires show their worth. These trucks are so capable that any tire will look like a rockstar in 4wd...until you have to stop.


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Colorado tends to be icy AF because it goes from 70 to -8 in less than 48 hours.

Most "mud" tires can't stop or corner on ice. And Colorado is full of hills and winding roads.

I had a set of Blizzaks for the winter and then Rotiivas and swapped them out in May.

Subarus do great in the snow on all weather tires because their AWD is light years ahead of what's on the 4Runner.

My Macan was heroic on snow and ice on all weather Pirellis and outperformed my 4Runner on Rotiivas.

My TE spent 7 years in the Front Range, FWIW.

If you really want to go for winter hero, get some studded MT tires.
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Also looking to replace my tires on SR5/2020, original Dunlop doesn't look like working well while first winter and I don't like to try it again, 10K of miles only since covid I am not driving much but anyway. Looking for suggestion, my previous good experience with Firestone Destinations and Wrangler Duratracks on another cars. Not sure about 4Runner. I am in NJ, winter here could be not as pleasant time to time.

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I know people are mentioning the KO2, but what load range are you using? It makes a huge difference. I had a E load KO2 and it was not to my liking.

I run the 6 ply (Load range C) with 38 lbs of air in all 4. (265/70/17) The BFG AT KO2's have served me well for many years and I like them much better than the 6 ply, LT Cooper AT's.
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Winter Tires VS All Season AT's

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Subarus do great in the snow on all weather tires because their AWD is light years ahead of what's on the 4Runner.
I can’t speak to whether Subaru’s AWD system is light years ahead of the 4Runner’s 4WD system, but my Outback’s performance on snow and ice isn’t all that special with all weather tires. Dedicated snow tires make a big difference on a Subaru too.


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Just for fun - lots of different snow conditions. AWD cars - subaru, Porsche, even Toyota's own Awd systems can work better in some snow. The differences become pretty apparent at the extremes of snow conditions. Subaru and others are great in 2" of snow. Not so great in 2 feet. Horses for courses. I've never found a need for snow tires for normal driving in a 4x4 of awd vehicle. I have normally run snow tires on my commercial snow plow vehicles. They certainly work better in many snow conditions than all season tires. Especially on ice or hard packed or plowed snow conditions.






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