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Old 01-14-2021, 09:31 PM #16
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MAybe a moderator can help out?
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The hybrid option seems to be very likely. I4 certainly plausible. Turbos are fine, I think. Depending on how hard they are designed to work and are pushed, you may have to replace them (in something like the 4R) every 150K-200K. In a towing or heavy vehicle, maybe 120K-140K. It is prob around $1,600-$2,200 to replace two turbos.

I'm very curious to see what they do. Deep down, I keep wishing for a big diesel in the Tundra but in the 4R, I prob want a hybrid...way better torque and way better MPG and resulting range, though at a higher initial cost.
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I sure hope there is no 4 cylinder turbo. 4-cylinder turbos (in my humble opinion) are only for small-medium sized cars.

Larger SUVs/Trucks/Crossovers need more displacement.


Ford has done well with their ECOBoost models on the F-150, but most small turbo engines have too much lag.

Yes I know there are exceptions and I'm sure plenty of people will let me know what they are.

I'm just saying that I would not buy a 4-cylinder turbocharged 4-runner.. UNLESS it were 3+ liters. If it were 6 cylinders and turbocharged, heck yeah.

But Toyota seems obsessed with small and hybrid engines.

And these days, I'm seeing a lot of car brands add turbo engines to the lineup, but they always put it on a SMALL engine!

My wife has a Kia Sorenta N/A V6 3.3L I think. Has great torque and HP. The new model will offer a 2.5L turbo. That's a pretty good start, since they currently offer a 2.0L turbo. But I'd much rather see that as a 3L turbo, preferably a 6 cylinder. Not picky on V6 vs. I6.

I know these companies are doing it for their fleet mpg ratings.. but I WANT a turbo engine that isn't some tiny little engine that should be on a compact car!

I want it all
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I think there is no getting around the turbos and hybrids. The 3.5L Ford EB has very little lag and is great around town and the highway 90% of the time. It is also pretty quick. I had an Expedition and have rented a F-150 EB many times. I have driven the 4 cylinder EB in the Mustang many times...quite a punchy motor as well. The turbos can be tuned to kick in very early. I wish diesel wasn't so polluting. More and more diesels and hybrids would be common. The hybrids are nice. The new Ford F-150 with its PowerBoost motor is FAST and has some serious torque over its V8 gas brethren.

Of course, I'm saying all this as I drive a huge diesel.
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It’s funny how psychologically it affects people’s choices seeing/hearing about an i4 engine in a truck. If you ever drive one that fear goes away real quick.
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It’s funny how psychologically it affects people’s choices seeing/hearing about an i4 engine in a truck. If you ever drive one that fear goes away real quick.
For me personally, an I-4 is fine. I'm fine with low power and slow acceleration since I don't tow anything and am not in a rush. Heck, I owned an '88 with a 22R-E for 300k miles. People passed me on bicycles ;-) I simply don't want a turbo. The fewer possible failure points, the better, IMO.
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Turbo 4 could be cool.

Cobb tune that shit.

My Cobb tuned Macan 4 banger makes over 300hp.
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Why?

Better power, better tq, more tq lower in the rev band, better economy, probably runs on regular gas.
turbos add power but also require more fuel, only at part load are 4 cyl turbo more efficient than v6
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Turbo 4 sounds good to me, can produce plenty of power while increasing mpg.
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Would Turbo require Higher Octane Fuel which is a Lil more $$$? Had to with my '90 Grand Prix Turbo.
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More than likely it's going to be an I4, maybe a Turbo'd I4 with a hybrid drivetrain. Which I am thinking is a mistake on Toyota's part, but they're locked in on making their entire line Hybrids going forward (if the Sienna is anything to go by.)

I doubt they'd put the twin-turbo V6 from the Tundra in the 4Runner, it's too "big" of an engine for their plans going forward and they axed the Land Cruiser in the US rather than pull over one of their nicer Diesel options from overseas.

I imagine the 2023? 4Runner will be rather questionable for a lot of prior 4Runner owners.
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Turbo 4 could be cool.

Cobb tune that shit.

My Cobb tuned Macan 4 banger makes over 300hp.
The problem with this is that turbo i4's are inefficient. Been through enough blown turbos or turbo-related problems with other cars to understand that they aren't worth it. (Several turbo'd Subarus, a GTi, and a newer BMW). EngineeringExplained makes the best case against small turbo'd motors with a well thought-out presentation as to why. But hey, if you like burning money, more power to ya.

I'd rather see another v8, reworked v6, or a hybrid v6/i4 powertrain. Hybrid makes the most sense if you're considering what people like to do with these things.
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As an ex WRX guy, no thanks to the I4 turbo on a 4runner. It's fine for a toy car like a WRX (fun!), but not for something you want to go 300k miles without major problems. I'm sure turbo tech has come a long way since my '04 Subaru, but when I think of longevity, I simply don't think of turbos.

Certainly would be nice to get better gas mileage with the 4R, but I really didn't buy it thinking it was gonna be a Prius.

/ Disclaimer: should note that I never had any problem with my Subie engine in the 105k miles I had it, but know plenty who did.
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I should also say that one of the reasons I bought my '21 was fear of just this type of thing happening. Wanted the old tech for the long haul. I have 4 banger cars in the garage that I can drive around town. The 4R will be for trips, fun, and occasional use around town or to work. In ten years it'll probably have 120k on it!
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I don't see why they couldn't make a 2.7L version of their 8AR-FTS engine? The 1AR-FE is 2.7L but non turbo. A 2.7L 1AR-FTS could be 300hp/300+ lbs/ft without breaking a sweat and still be reliable. Add a hybrid option for even better mpg....it's definitely possible, it's just whether Toyota is going to go super conservative like they always do or not???



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A 2.0 L turbocharged direct-injected member of the AR family, fitted with VVT-iW it is able to operate in both the Otto and a modified-Atkinson cycle. Debuted in the Lexus NX200t.[17] Power output in the 2015 NX200t is 175 kW (235 hp) at 4,800 - 5,600 rpm and 350 N⋅m (258 lb⋅ft) at 1,650 - 4000 rpm. The 8AR-FTS engine has Lexus’ ESTEC D-4ST (Economy with Superior Thermal Efficient Combustion Direct injection 4-stroke with Turbo) fuel injection. With separate twin injectors for both direct and port injection, ESTEC D-4ST could perform high-pressure direct injection into the cylinder and conventional intake port injection, or direct cylinder injection only, according to engine speed.[18] Power output in some applications, e.g. Lexus IS 200t XE30, Lexus GS 200t and Lexus RC 200t is bumped up by 5 kW (6.7 hp) up to 180 kW (242 hp) in the same rev range but torque remains the same.[18]

Applications:

Lexus NX 200t (renamed NX 300) AGZ10/15
Lexus IS 200t (renamed IS 300) XE30[19]
Lexus GS 200t (renamed GS 300) L10[20]
Lexus RX 200t (renamed RX 300) AL20[21]
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Lexus RC 200t (renamed RC 300)
Toyota Highlander (XU50, China)
Toyota Harrier Turbo (XU60, Japan, 2017–) [23]
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