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The other interesting factors in this whole mess is that every company that sells us anything clearly got used to being able to derive more profit per unit moved since 2021 or so.
Fixed it for you. Until we stop buying it they are going to milk us all for what they can. Cars or any other manufactured items is one thing, but also look at food. At least where I am everything in the food store is 3X what is was only a couple years ago. I understand there are various reasons to raise prices, labor rates being a huge one, but it doesn't add up.
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Well, we've known these vehicles were coming for 2 years. It was just a matter of them finally debuting when viable for the company to present them. A lot things were bunched up together, due to delays and timetables set long ago now clashing. This is why the 4Runner became a 2025 model, to make space for other Tahara launches.
For those of you that do not follow other Toyota forums, @Carmaker1 , who has been a trusted source of Toyota & Lexus information, did several extensive posts over on Tacoma World about the 4Runner, Land Cruiser and Lexus GX as a wrap-up to the Tacoma reveal.

I've extracted, merged and summarized key pieces of his posts so we could get a better look at where we are as we await the new TNGA-F Platform SUVs, the 4Runner, Land Cruiser and Lexus GX.

Carmaker1's original posts, along with information on the international models, Fortuner, Hilux and Land Cruiser Prado, are at these two links:
4th Gen Tacoma (2024+) | Page 456 | Tacoma World
4th Gen Tacoma (2024+) | Page 456 | Tacoma World

I'm posting this information in hopes more 4Runner fans will join the conversation, I've been amazed at how little interest there is, as compared to the rabid fanbase for Jeep and Bronco, from the very large 4Runner family in the new Toyota developments, so if you enjoy reading this kind of information, please give the post a like and join the conversation.

And of course, we should all read Carmaker1's final note and disclaimer:
"With so much misinformation, I'd just wait until next week for GX and see where it goes from there. Like the Tacoma, it will answer different pieces of the puzzle."
*(DISCLAIMER: I AM ONLY SHARING INFORMATION I KNOW TO BE ACCURATE AT THE TIME OF POSTING, GATHERED FROM TRUSTED INSIDE SOURCES AT TMNA AND/OR TMNA'S TRUSTED BUSINESS AFFILIATES/SUPPLIERS. ANY CHANGES OR DEVIATIONS IN PRODUCT PLANNING OR TIMETABLES, I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR PREDICTING OR KNOWING ABOUT MAGICALLY. MY INSIGHT IS NOT FIRSTHAND, SINCE I DO NOT WORK FOR TMNA.)

With that said, here is a summary of the upcoming models we have been discussing over the last year, in order of release.

2024 Lexus GX (Defender Rival, G-Wagen aspirant)
Reveal: June 8th
Launch: December 2023
Engines: TTV6 GX 550 or 2.4T Hybrid GX 550h
Photos released by Lexus: link 1, link 2.

2024 Toyota Land Cruiser (Retro FJ influenced, for USA & Canada, Bronco, Jeep, Defender Rival)
Reveal: Fall 2023/Winter 2024 (expect a 6-8 week teaser campaign ahead of the date)
Launch: Spring 2024
Engines: Alleged TTV6 or i-Force MAX 2.4T
Closest Rendering: Motor Trend, but boxier like the GX, with round lighting, influenced with Retro 40 from 70 series design cues and less 4Runner cues (in other words, we don't have a great rendering yet).

2025 Toyota 6th gen 4Runner (Tacoma influenced)
Reveal: Winter/Spring 2024 (expect a 6-8 week teaser campaign ahead of the date)
Launch: Summer/Fall 2024
Engines: 2.4L turbo I-4, i-Force MAX 2.4L turbo I-4 hybrid, No V6, possible PHEV (alleged, not confirmed by direct answer)
Closest Rendering: CarBuzz, but more angular. The Tacoma headlight design is extremely similar, but 4Runner has a different curvature than the Tacoma units. The C-Pillar is more upright for better ease of entry and a slopped D-Pillar.
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Fixed it for you. Until we stop buying it they are going to milk us all for what they can. Cars or any other manufactured items is one thing, but also look at food. At least where I am everything in the food store is 3X what is was only a couple years ago. I understand there are various reasons to raise prices, labor rates being a huge one, but it doesn't add up.
I think the powers that be, those who shape the markets are convinced we are at a tipping point with man made climate change and a lot of what we have experienced the last 3 years has been by design to lower our carbon footprint and change our way of life.

That can be a huge rabbit hole but as it pertains to the car industry I believe the cost to own (including supply) and operate a vehicle is being pushed higher to get us off the highways. In Costa Rica the cost to buy and operate a vehicle is extremely high. A new SR5 4Runner is $72,000 US and the yearly registration would be about $2500 plus safety/environment inspection and insurance. Used cars are very expensive and there are incentives for electric/hybrid vehicles. I would not be surprised if that is where we are heading in North America.

In my province the federal govt is bringing in a carbon tax on gas which equates to 40 cents per gallon. In the next 7 years they will add another $1.50 per gallon+ to get us out of gas cars. A plug in Prius gets an $8000 rebate from the govt.

Sorry for the diversion but I think our love of BOF vehicles is going to get even more expensive as we are pushed towards EVs and public transit.
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