yeah I dont think forcing the founding family out and Toyoda's death were organic. idc how paranoid that sounds.

Trying to cram in several posts tonight. I'm no longer going to be commenting much on things Toyota, because while this environment here is reasonable, some others are not and I'm putting myself in hot water.

I am hearing that a number of vehicles will appear in this fashion.

Possibly on April 5th, the 2024 midsize pickup will debut and be on display on NYIAS? NYIAS is a guess, but the date is info I am posting here. Teasers and announcements will be over the coming month.

By June 1st or later in the summer, the 2024 MY Land Cruiser will be revealed. I won't mention TX and GX, which are also coming this year.

The Camry I once referred to as 2024.5, is definitely MY 2025 and matches what Crain's Automotive News reported back in 2020-21. I couldn't believe it then, but that old report was somewhat accurate. Just worded poorly, by saying "in 2025" and not in 2024 for 2025.

Production of the 2024 Camry as I mentioned elsewhere will begin around July and run through next winter in 2024. It will be superseded in February or March 2024 production by the next Camry, which I suspect will be revealed around November.

That's speculation, as the actual reveal is definitely late 2023, but no specific date. Launch is April 2024, before the 4Runner.

TMMK has been in the retooling process to make these changes ahead of tooling try out builds and pilot assembly. Out of respect for the individual who seems to be laughing at my expense, for me trusting a source with contradictory information on the GX, I will no longer discuss Lexus here for them nitpick.

Pilot builds of the next Camry are currently testing in Arizona and here in Michigan where it's 3AM right now. They were not built in Georgetown, KY, but the prototype plant in Michigan.

I think I've seen one on the freeway at night near Ann Arbor recently, but didn't have a camera moment. It was definitely part of a Toyota convoy, midsized, and special camo wrap only Lexus and Toyota use.

No sight of 4Runner yet, but that won't even be until maybe summer shots of prototypes.

Anyone claiming that the 4Runner was delayed because of response to the Bronco and Wrangler is deranged and uninformed. Anyone repeating their information, shouldn't feel bad, as you wouldn't know from Adam what to trust.

Much of the information on those vehicles was well known quite a while ago and the 4Runner is not being designed to compete with them. It will continue its mission statement and not deviate. The Land Cruiser will be a different flavor of that with the prestige nameplate and higher price.

The 4Runner is the Everest to the Land Cruiser's Bronco.

THANK YOU!, @Carmaker1 , we always greatly appreciate your posts and insight.

Please just ignore those who are less knowledgeable than you and only attack others to build themselves up, they don't deserve one moment of your concern.

Please continue to visit us at this forum with new information as you are able, THANK YOU!

Hmmmm I think I know one of those environments. Something along the lines of midsize truck planet (dot) com or something. Sad to see the way you’re treated there, but as you said some environments are just different. Had a feeling after a couple of responses there that you’d probably hang up your coat.

We really appreciate the insight you’ve brought here.

Thank you for the great info. Any hints as to what the Land Cruiser will be? Engine options etc?

Thank you @Carmaker1 . We all appreciate and look forward to your insight.

Any word on a maverick/ridgeline competitor?

I largely agree with your thinking on the Land Cruiser. Remember how the FJ Cruiser was essentially a rebodied 4Runner with retro looks and more tidy off road dimensions? I think that the Land Cruiser will largely be the same to the next 4Runner. Shares powertrains, chassis design, and suspension pickup points, but be more mission focused toward off roading than the 4Runner has been. I think the difference, this time, is that the 4Runner will maintain off road focused trims like the Pro and rumored Trailhunter for those of us that still have some priority on cargo space and passenger comfort. The 4th Gen 4Runner and early 5th gen tended to lack of those off road focused trims. The TRD Off Road and Pro trims are printing money for Toyota right now and I think the demand is still there. They are strong brands that I don't think Toyota wants to walk away from.

As far as powertrain, I think @Jetboy is right about what to expect as far as how the powertrain is oriented. We won't see numbers that directly match the Grand Highlander hybrid max powertrain. That powertrain makes use of 2 electric motors and since this is TNGA-F, we will get similar to what Tundra and Sequoia have as far as how the drive train is laid out. 2.4T > electric motor > 8-10 speed transmission > transfer case > front rear prop shafts > diffs > axles. The Grand Highlander has more flexibility for how they shuttle power around since the front drivetrain is only connected to the rear drivetrain electrically and being able to send that electrical power to 2 different electric motors at the same time does have torque benefits.

I think they will target a mid 6 second 0-60. That is plenty fast for what the typical 4Runner buyer is looking for and a ~1 sec improvement over the 5th gen. I think they can reasonably get real world mpg up 20-30% with the 2.4T and hybrid. I'm getting around 19 right now in my Pro, so I think a jump to 24 isn't unreasonable.

I think Toyota will have no choice but go LiIon on the 4Runner and Land Cruiser hybrids, though. The Tundra and Sequoia make use of inexpensive but space inefficient NiMh batteries. They are huge vehicles, so they have some volume to spare. On the flip side, those big batteries really do intrude into the passenger space (Sequoia especially). I hope Toyota realizes that part of the thing we love about our 4Runners is how my 2 row models can comfortably carry 5 passengers one day and offer a space big enough to sleep in over the weekend while camping/offroading. The current 3 row model is really compromised in the cargo area compared to the 2 row, so I wouldn't want to see the next gen hybrid suffer the same way.

First renderings I've seen for the new mini-truck:

PHOTOS:
2025 Toyota Stout Makes Digitally Rugged Comeback to Scare the Mavericks Away - autoevolution

VIDEO:
ALL NEW TOYOTA STOUT 2025-2026? REDESIGN | Digimods DESIGN | - YouTube


(??? When will we get modern forum software that lets us post photos, videos and emojis???)

Yeah I’ve seen tons of speculation but nothing based on actual information.
I want to know when and what engines.
I’ll be buying a new car in Fall ‘24.

Very curious about engine options for the next 4Runner and Land Cruiser.

I'm guessing 2.4L turbocharged engine as the base option in the 4Runner with a 2.4L Hybrid Max as an optional upgrade. Or 2.5L hybrid as a base and 2.4L turbo hybrid has optional.

For the Land Cruiser, I assume 2.4L hybrid max as standard. My guess this will be the sole engine offered. Although I would like to see a 6 cylinder hybrid option if this is positioned to be a premium vehicle.

That 2.5L hybrid would STRUGGLE with something as heavy as the 4R and trying to drive a part time 4WD set up. We have the Rav4 with it. It's suitable for that car, but nothing heavier IMO. I think (and have said it repeatedly) that Toyota made a big mistake putting the 2.5Hybrid in the Highlander. Maybe its fine for flat road driving around town, but I have mountains to pass.

The 2.5L hybrid is in the Sienna, and it's just about as heavy as the 4Runner. I'd even guess that a Sienna typically is loaded up heavier with more passengers and cargo than a 4Runner. Don't forget that part of the 4Runner experience since gen 1 is to have the slowest vehicle on the road!

I only brought it up because Carmaker1 on other forums has stated the 4th generation Tacoma would be offered with the 2.5L.

4Runner has larger tires. That matters a great deal.
Also, just b/c Toyota did it, doesn't mean its a good idea.
If you live in Texas I guess its ok. If you live anywhere near altitude or spend time in the mountains, it is absolutely not.

Both in February 2020 and in September 2021 I mentioned in two different instances that the GX would be launched in 2023. In early 2020 that was 2023 calendar year with no specific date, in September 2021 I specifically let it be known that the new GX would arrive for 2024 model year in December 2023.

Ladies and gentlemen, that has now become official straight from Lexus USA! Feels good to be proven right after some years now! TW trolls can shove that proof up their asses.

Thanks to VFD90 on Reddit and credit for the photo.

As I mentioned years ago, December 2023 is still holding through as GX launch. You can't make things up, but some love to say that I do and honestly, I am not responsible for what a multibillion-dollar automotive giant decides to do/change from quarter to quarter.

Pretty much the story over there. And it keeps on regressing anyway after I left...SMH.

The environment here is way different, so that's more than justifiable. I'm here now aren't I LOL?

Thanks a billion Tex.
Thanks, for understanding and being a witness to it all.

Yep and one of the members who's also on here as a user, ain't helping matters over there either right now, which I'll say is quite frustrating. The annoying user in question hasn't been active in this thread for roughly 6 months, so it's none of you over the last 20 or so pages. I won't name them, but again it's pretty much NONE of you who I observe to be recently active.


To them: It does me no justice to establish a point several times and then respond to your question, only to be ignored and instead those same questions are repeated, plus further conjecture from you.

I'll consider them persona non grata, as that's tantamount to trolling and a complete waste of space for everyone.


I keep hearing T24A-FTS, not much about V35A-FTS. I'm puzzled by it. At this point I'm not asking too many questions, so it's not to be a nosy rip off taking their inside information.

I feel like I can get ghosted. Which is why I will synthesize wording at times.

Thanks.
I have mentioned in some places that's coming as well, 2025. Not sure if I did already here last year. I don't think you know much about it unless they put it out for road testing or it leaks. That's going to be paralleled by the next RAV4.

I could ask, but I don't like to be too nosy and only take what I can get from someone passing on information. Whenever I ask too much, it just feels like plagiarism and violating privacy, when I post it here.

The source on things for 4Runner I at best can only give you their contact information. And even so, I question if it's a good idea and won't get me into trouble.

The information is being kept privately by Toyota very well. Only what I have limitedly stated publicly and some charts posted previously here, are going to be the sole information you will know about for the time being.

Insiders do not want to talk outside of PMs and a few are outright deleting profiles via moderator request.


I'm very concerned about the decision making on this vehicle considering all roads point to a 5-7 seater with T24A-FTS. And not V35A-FTS.

That seems to be a consistent narrative stated not just by me, but by a few others that have seen the vehicle up close. Somehow, it is more powerful than the transverse applications in the TNGA-K vehicles. It sounds like A25A-FXS, but is it? Well most who know, say it is.

El Paso Texas, where my '20 Tacoma TRD Pro is parked, is a major exception to that rule and from what I can tell in that place when I do visit it, TRD vehicles are very popular sights there and NM. But that's pretty much the desert Southwest and of course military dudes love them.

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