Now this is getting exciting!
Thanks again carmaker for sharing information over these past years - appreciate it.

Thanks for all this @Carmaker1

Its crazy to me that they've shown the grand highlander which won't come out until late this year (and isn't on this list), but all these other cars are under wraps.

I have not looked here at all but now I have...

SO yeah 1,000 thanks for sharing the info you can share! And, yes, this is a remarkably grown-up place by car forum standards, especially truck forum standards

Speaking of non-grown ups, in Aug 2024 my first son who will then be 17.5 yo will need a vehicle. While my 2018 4R is far too much vehicle for what a 17.5 yo deserves, if used car prices intend to stay sky high, I might consider getting a new 4Runner myself and passing mine on to him. At least he has driven more offroad trails in it already than 95% of 4Runner owners ever will LOL.

BUT, for me to be interested...I will want 35" tires either from factory or as a no-hassle mod. What are the chances of that?

Thanks for any insights or guesses. I have a friend who is very happy with his Bronco...but leaving Toyota and paying THAT amount for a...Ford...is too much for me

Of course, just want everyone to stay in the loop. All kinds of things can be said about the Land Cruiser, but what I know for a fact is that the GX will be very special, even if it doesn't have a V8. Oddly enough I finally have cracked the case, that Toyota specifically launched the GX 470 to counter the Land Rover Discovery 2 and directly price it against that vehicle.

It looks like now Toyota wants the GX compete with the Defender 110 instead. 4Runner and Land Cruiser are to be two tiers of the same market segment? I really just don't get it, but we'll see. I have been hearing about this vehicle since 2019, so there's truth to it and not this mythical return of 300 Series.

If anyone is continuing to claim that for the United States at least and not so much Canada, they better have seen a replica of the 300 series itself and not some other vehicle that they assume is some facelifted 300.

I swear that some individuals in the dealer body can be very stupid and take things the wrong way, even when shown physical proof of a vehicle.

I remember how some Lexus personnel tried to describe the LX 600 as like a Bentley Bentayga and never like before, back in 2019 and clearly were very, VERY painfully stupid...

Does this look like a f#$@ing Bentley, even that of a reskinned VW Touareg?

(I forgave the messenger who passed on the insight and shared my concerns with them)

Ditto for those who try to claim in 2014 that an all-new LX was coming for 2016. Well...



That WASN'T all new, but the idiot shown those photos in 2014 parroted that "all-new generation" drivel.

Of course.

Toyota actually said summer, which from what I remember was May 2023 Job 1 for late June/July 2023 launch. TX is 2 months behind that in September.

I've known TX to be a mid-2023 launch since September 2021 and noted that in this 2021 post.

That's great news actually as I'm leaning towards either a Grand Highlander or the TX as my next vehicle and this gives them at least a year to work out the kinks before I buy.

Thank you for all the updates. I'm both very curious and also a bit apprehensive about how the LC/GX/4R/LX all fit together to improve market share vs just cannibalizing sales from one another. But maybe there's something I'm not getting about how this all works out.

Not sure if you happen to have any insight Carmaker - but how does the GX550 fit in 2030 if Lexus is truly going to be fully BEV? Is there a BEV powertrain that'll a retrofit into the GA-F? The reason I'm curious in part is that it seems to be a common finding of everyone including Toyota that EVs need a dedicated platform to work well. The F150 EV is the best BOF EV example, but it's moving to a dedicated platform in 2025 IIRC. And Toyota is already killing the eTNGA after only 2 vehicles on the platform in favor of a dedicated EV platform. I don't quite see a way for the GX and LX transition to BEV in their current form. Maybe Toyota has something magic in the works to somehow make them BEV models in the existing architecture? Or would it be something more like a Rivian RS1 underneath a GX / LX body?

I can't believe I ever forgot to mention this, but Lexus is in the whiteboard phases of developing a BEV GX with a Job 1 of January 2029 at the moment. It's been in development since last year and I was told this information several months ago in privacy.

Core development will not begin until maybe next year or 2025, once the 3rd Generation GX has settled into it's lifecycle.

I can prove that to be true, if anyone wants to see a screenshot of the message sent to me with that intel.

It's not speculation at all, because the 4Runner source is who told me and he keeps reiterating that the 4Runner is coming Q3 2024.

And to keep a very tight narrative here, I must reiterate the Tacoma engine lineup to my knowledge. I really don't want anything being taken out of context and misinterpreted elsewhere.

2TR-FE 2.7L - Base
2GR-FKS 3.5L - Optional (Single source claims std 6MT)
A25A-FXS 2.5L - Optional on Mid-high level (TRD, etc)
T24A-FTS 2.4T HM (TRD Pro ONLY)
BEV - TBD

I do not know nor will my questions be answered, in terms of whether 2.4T will be accompanied by A25A-FXS 2.5 or a GR V6 in either new 2GR or 1GR-FE continuation.

What I do know for certain is the 4Runner definitely has a high tech hybrid of some sort. I do question if there's a PHEV involved?



As for the F-150, ironically that's pretty much my business right there, which I of course absolutely don't discuss. NDA dictates it. Very far along. There's a reason why I prefer to talk about Toyota versus Ford vehicles...

EV’s are still not ready for prime time if you’re a road warrior or in rural areas.

There are people in the south who put 30k miles a year on trucks / SUVs and never leave the STATE. Don’t ask me how…

But one thing I do know is that those vehicles aren’t stopping for 30 minutes every 200 miles.

Any work or personal vehicle with astronomical mileage due to jobs that require intensive driving are either ICE, hybrid, or plug-in hybrid.

We are on our way to a second “peak” billing rate at night, when the majority of people (day shift) comes home to charge their cars.

Retail charging is slowly creeping up on the price of gas in cost per mile. It’s no longer the “no brainer” it once was when Tesla was handing out free supercharging for buying one of their vehicles new.

People in a paid-off truck, that were spending a brand new EV payment in gas every month, could stay in something new and under warranty for the savings it brought, but those economics are changing as laws create the sunset for ICE and EV’s no longer have to be heavily incentivized to make sales.

You can never catch a break for very long.


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Since we are talking about Toyota versus Ford vehicles, for those of us that would like to see the Toyota reputation of quality be continued with the new 4Runner and Land Cruiser and for the rollout to be stellar right out of the gate. However, seeing the numerous Tundra first year issues are reason to give pause to that hope.

On the other hand, the Ford family of vehicles, say the Bronco as comparison, since it can be cross shopped with the 4Runner and Land Cruiser, has had an abysmal rollout with one quality problem after another. The Ford CEO is out there admitting they have "challenges", a nice way of saying poor quality and recalls galore they can't get a handle on and are losing money in the billion$.

So, @Carmaker1 , do you have hope or concrete facts that both Toyota and Ford can get it together on quality or is that a distant pipe dream?


PS:
Hilarious, after I posted the above I stumbled on the below parroting my thoughts of "abysmal quality".

"The abysmal quality of the Ford Motor Company strikes again"
Ford Recalls Bronco Over Safety Concern, Owners Advised Not to Drive Vehicles - autoevolution

Thanks for all the insight!! No need to prove anything to me at least. You have a track record of being pretty darn accurate.

Tacoma engine options are pretty disappointing. I get the idea of the small 4cyl NA engine in a 2wd work truck. But the 2GR version feels so anemic already in a crew cab 4x4 model. It's hard to imagine Toyota bringing it back for another model generation for the high volume engine choice. My parents have one. It's marginal empty and almost unusable for pulling even a small camper. If that's the main engine - I think it'll get a luke warm reception at best. I wouldn't buy one. I like the 2GR in my RX350, but it's also a lot more aerodynamic and I don't tow anything with it so the power demand is less and it works really well. And the mpg is not good either because in the real world the hp demand is well outside of the high thermal efficiency range. So it's neither powerful or efficient.

The T24A would at least offer decent mid-rpm power and probably make the driving experience a whole lot nicer even if it's not any faster. At least it doesn't have to live at 5500 rpms on every slight incline. The Ranger has the 2.3T across the range with a 3.0TTV6 raptor at the top and the next gen Colorado/canyon will have the 2.7 that's a lot more powerful. The hybrid might match the Colorado and Ranger Raptor on 0-60 times, but it doesn't really make up for the undersized engine in steady state highway cruising conditions where the GR is too small and the T24A might be as well.


I should hold my judgment until I drive it. I can't see it working well in an even heavier 4Runner or Land Cruiser.

We keep hearing "... it's coming out next year". It reminds me of the signs Ive seen in bars "free beer tomorrow"

The 4R has been targeted for MY2025 for quite a while as per the insider sources. 2024 reveal happens to be next year. Not sure this is a surprise.

It should have been updated in MY2018 with at least an 8AT and either a T4 or updated 1GR with a minor facelift in 2021. And this should be the 7th gen for MY2025.

lol

Try 2022 and rumors before that.

Nonsense. It’s hard to believe Toyota has missed launch dates. 6th Gen 4Runner could very well be dead

I agree. Why “fix” what isn’t broken?

Toyota has plenty of options for those who want all the modern “features” so they would be wise to leave the 4Runner for those of us who appreciate its reliability, durability, and old-school charm.