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Old 09-16-2021, 04:59 PM #16
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I had a 2018 Q5 made in Mexico and the quality issues were very evident. Maybe Audi cheaped out on the engineering as well as the labour but it had issues.

The main objection I have is the ethical one. These companies are moving production to Mexico to line their pockets while exploiting the Mexicans. The Audi I bought went up in price slightly when production moved to Mexico even though Audi did not pay the Mexicans what they were paying the Germans, nor did the Mexicans enjoy anywhere near the quality of life as the Germans. If Toyota moves the 4Runner production to Mexico it will increase the price of the vehicle while saving thousands on each one built in the form of cheaper labour and transportation costs.
We are Toyota, not anyone else. We do not change our standards on location, they are global standards.

It is also not an ethical issue as well, Toyota has two plants in Mexico. These plants provide stable jobs during financial crisis, health care, medical facilities, and all in all a higher quality of life. Toyota plants are welcomed around the world due to the jobs, quality of life, and growth they bring. So even though you have some issue with this, please feel free to go to Mexico City, visit our Toyota Plant, and explain to me how it's a bad thing. I also will be working in the Mexico plants as well as a US citizen, so please make sure you're not spreading misinformation about a company that values it's team members & customers first
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We are Toyota, not anyone else. We do not change our standards on location, they are global standards.

It is also not an ethical issue as well, Toyota has two plants in Mexico. These plants provide stable jobs during financial crisis, health care, medical facilities, and all in all a higher quality of life. Toyota plants are welcomed around the world due to the jobs, quality of life, and growth they bring. So even though you have some issue with this, please feel free to go to Mexico City, visit our Toyota Plant, and explain to me how it's a bad thing. I also will be working in the Mexico plants as well as a US citizen, so please make sure you're not spreading misinformation about a company that values it's team members & customers first

Nobody really wants to buy a car from another country that pays below a wage that allows the workers to buy anything from the country where the purchaser is located.

I get it the kool aid has worked well, but don’t expect people to shoot themselves in the foot because they’re not drinking the same kool aid.

I don’t buy a car to support the rest of the world. Nobody does.
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Nobody really wants to buy a car from another country that pays below a wage that allows the workers to buy anything from the country where the purchaser is located.

I get it the kool aid has worked well, but don’t expect people to shoot themselves in the foot because they’re not drinking the same kool aid.

I don’t buy a car to support the rest of the world. Nobody does.
Toyota pays competitive wages whatever state, region, country you are in. You own a 4Runner and you know its the same argument can me made in Japan right? Their cost of living is ridiculous. Our advisors come over to US and can't believe what they can afford.

But why own a 4Runner? Why not own a Tundra or Camry? If you really want to support your own country.
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Well it looks like there is some conflicting information between your and @Carmaker1
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exploiting the Mexicans.
You think these Mexicans would be better off without Toyota jobs?
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We are Toyota, not anyone else. We do not change our standards on location, they are global standards.

It is also not an ethical issue as well, Toyota has two plants in Mexico. These plants provide stable jobs during financial crisis, health care, medical facilities, and all in all a higher quality of life. Toyota plants are welcomed around the world due to the jobs, quality of life, and growth they bring. So even though you have some issue with this, please feel free to go to Mexico City, visit our Toyota Plant, and explain to me how it's a bad thing. I also will be working in the Mexico plants as well as a US citizen, so please make sure you're not spreading misinformation about a company that values it's team members & customers first
I don’t see it as misinformation. Car makers don’t go to Mexico to help the locals because of their philanthropic nature. They value their stock value above all else. The average pay is approximately $2.25/ hour in Mexico for an auto worker. Why did Toyota say they would not take part in the 40% rule under the new North American free trade agreement? Auto makers are under a deadline to have 40% + of their parts made in Mexico come from companies that pay a minimum of $16/hour! Some companies have agreed to this and others have said they would rather pay the tariff at the US border. This part of the USMCA was created to deter further manufacturing jobs going to Mexico and to hold companies doing business in Mexico to account when paying crappy wages to Mexican workers. The corporate colonialism that has raped the third world is alive and well. I have been to Mexico many times and spoke to many Mexicans. I know how much a car cost there and that the people assembling these vehicles can’t afford the car they are making.
The closer to home you spend your money the better off our community is. I don’t mind buying a quality product where I know the person who made it was fairly compensated for their time. I have no issues buying a Japanese made vehicle because they are enjoying a good life.
I’ve read many articles on this subject and the Mexicans would be happy making half of what the American worker gets paid. $34/$17- hour.
It’s hard for auto manufacturers to not look predatory when they move assembly to Mexico and don’t lower the price of the car or pay them a decent wage.
It’s interesting that Chinese auto makers are making $1 more an hour than the Mexicans.
Say what you want about trump bit this new agreement will either force auto makers to pay Mexicans more or move jobs back to the US.
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Well it looks like there is some conflicting information between your and @Carmaker1
Thanks, but anytime Toyota contradict anything I state, you better trust them first LOL. I only can repeat what other Toyota people tell me. It's between them and them what they disagree on.

Anything I state must, be taken with a grain of salt. I was told production will be sourced out of TMMGT, but I did not hear anything about Tahara not producing them anymore.

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That's okay, working for Toyota in the new model production engineering division, he can assume all he wants 👍🏻
Hi, I am repeating what I was told by someone else, affiliated with Toyota. If I am wrong, then that's fine. Prior to a few months ago, I was all but convinced, this was MY 2023 in October 2022. They said I was wrong and it was now MY 2024 in early 2024.

For some reason the program got delayed and I was "corrected" to the source plant being TMMGT in Q1 of 2024.

Naturally I want this new 4Runner in the market sooner and retire the N280, but from other GA-F products being MY 2024 and no longer 2023MY, it looks quietly gloomy.

I am not one to pressure those with firsthand insight such as yourself, so thank you for stopping by and giving your own perspective, even if it invalidates my credibility in certain areas. It someone else can do it way better, I welcome it.

I am more focused on a small circle of 4Runner owners, being informed and not so much the whole customer base, where it can hurt Toyota sales.

Recently I PMed a few people, to let them know who to ask these questions and get better answers than I can give.
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Thanks, but anytime Toyota contradict anything I state, you better trust them first LOL. I only can repeat what other Toyota people tell me. It's between them and them what they disagree on.

Anything I state must, be taken with a grain of salt. I was told production will be sourced out of TMMGT, but I did not hear anything about Tahara not producing them anymore.



Hi, I am repeating what I was told by someone else, affiliated with Toyota. If I am wrong, then that's fine. Prior to a few months ago, I was all but convinced, this was MY 2023 in October 2022. They said I was wrong and it was now MY 2024 in early 2024.

For some reason the program got delayed and I was "corrected" to the source plant being TMMGT in Q1 of 2024.

Naturally I want this new 4Runner in the market sooner and retire the N280, but from other GA-F products being MY 2024 and no longer 2023MY, it looks quietly gloomy.

I am not one to pressure those with firsthand insight such as yourself, so thank you for stopping by and giving your own perspective, even if it invalidates my credibility in certain areas. It someone else can do it way better, I welcome it.

I am more focused on a small circle of 4Runner owners, being informed and not so much the whole customer base, where it can hurt Toyota sales.

Recently I PMed a few people, to let them know who to ask these questions and get better answers than I can give.
As I mentioned to you in another couple posts, I appreciate you digging into it all and the excitement! You take a very professional prospective and a wholesome one too. Again thank you for your comments and I appreciate what you're doing
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As I mentioned to you in another couple posts, I appreciate you digging into it all and the excitement! You take a very professional prospective and a wholesome one too. Again thank you for your comments and I appreciate what you're doing

I really don’t want to buy a grand Cherokee or bronco. Any small tips as to when we could see the 6th gen get announced?
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I would NEVER buy one --- made in mexico? Not me
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As a little incite, we have not added or removed any jobs from either plants in Mexico. Our goal is to automate the line due to new technology that cannot be done manually. BU to level up and use the same skilled workers that are there now, without hiring new team members. So both plants have a net 0 increase in line workers, with fully automated lines vs manual lines.

And even though Toyota pays roughly 30-40% more than other automotive companies in Mexico, we can now train line works from doing the labor, and make them skilled members, thus increasing their pay. So to speak on your comment about philanthropy, are again very wrong.

But your whole comment is talking about generalities, not Toyota. We didn't move manufacturing of suppliers to Mexico, because unlike other companies, we supply Canada, Mexico, and all US plants with suppliers in the US. This hasn't changed, the plants in Mexico, even though the capacity/capability have changed, the overall societal impact hasn't changed. Believe it or not, the workers of that NAMC we were about losing their jobs due to automation of a line, because they valued Toyota as an employer.

Just understand you may do all the research you want, but you are not a Toyota employee, and whether or not you think there is kool-aid to be drank, the Toyota way is customers first. And to us, our customers are the plants and line workers.

So please go forth with your assumptions & speculations but understand they are wrong
How much does an assembly worker get paid at a Toyota plant In Mexico?
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How much does an assembly worker get paid at a Toyota plant In Mexico?
Maybe the better question is, how does the wage compare to similar work in the area, is it about average or higher than average?
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Maybe the better question is, how does the wage compare to similar work in the area, is it about average or higher than average?
Yes, it is relative to a certain degree. But if the average person is living very poorly does that excuse a foreign company from coming in and benefitting by paying a little more than poverty wages?

A Toyota Corolla costs $18,000 usd in Mexico. Parts manufacturers are paying $2-$3/hr. The average auto worker working for a car company makes more, somewhere around $8-$9/hr. Can the auto workers afford the vehicles they are making on these wages?

https://financialpost.com/pmn/busine...ake-40000-suvs

The new free trade agreement seems to be addressing it slowly. It's part to protect US/Can jobs but also to deter companies from exploiting less fortunate countries. Where the Tacoma is being made 100% in Mexico soon it appears Toyota will have to follow the $16/hour rule or pay a 25% tariff at the border.

Toyota Motor, which built a new plant in Mexico in 2015, is not finding it easy to change plans either. The new plant started full-scale production of pickup trucks in February. The trucks are popular in the U.S. and would be subject to a 25% tariff if they do not meet the content requirements of the USMCA. But if Toyota does not operate the factory, it cannot recover its investment.

"We don't want to be whipped around by a policy that we don't know how long it will last," said an executive at a Japanese automaker.


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It appears Honda will start paying the $16/hr wage but Toyota seems reluctant.
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Made in Mexico

If it were made in Mexico, I wouldn't buy it. One of the biggest reasons why I bought the 4Runner over others is where it's made and the build quality.

Ever seen a VW product lately ? That is what comes out of Mexico.

If you want cheap, buy it and be happy.
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Ever seen a VW product lately ? That is what comes out of Mexico.
I had a 97 Jetta and an 02 Jetta. Both built in Mexico and both went to 100k+ with zero issues. I didn't even have to replace the clutch on the 97. I get that this is anecdotal. But it seems like the design of the car would lead to problems more than the assembly (or perhaps the parts supplies).
Has the Mexico plant gotten worse at quality since then?
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