[AZ Craig]

Originally Posted by Jetboy

According to that it shares the same 112" wheelbase and length overall as the LC250. This looks almost unusable: (So it must have a 3rd row?)

I noticed that too; the 2nd row leg room looks atrocious in the one picture Toyota provided. I'm really curious to see what those numbers are ultimately listed at versus the GX550 and LC250 in tandem with the cargo space ultimately. The hybrid system I'm sure is going to screw up the packaging of the trunk for the TRD Pro and Trailhunter and likely prevent a proper fold flat solution also.

In some ways a R1S just got more tempting for me .

[Tonka23]

Looks pretty much like what most of us thought....Modernized Tacoma with a roof over the bed. I will say...my first thought is with the Limited/pro currently priced around 50-55k. WHY would I buy a new 4runner over the GX....? I'd bet every trim goes up at least 2-4 from 24' prices which would put a limited closer to 55 and pro closer to 60 (friendly hope even then) with a base GX at 65k, 5k extra for the engine, refined suv, ect. seems like a no brainer....


Still rattled they didn't go back to a removeable top. I think it would sell like hot cakes and take a huge chunk of jeep sales.

[Quentin]

Originally Posted by Jetboy

If those are correct - I'm not in love with the design. Looks like a truck they had to configure into an SUV on a budget to me. The design language doesn't work for me. I hope it's just a render and they did a better job in real life. The hood is too long. The windshield is too sloped and roughly 40% of the vehicle length is wasted by that ungainly front design. So the passenger compartment looks like it got smaller despite the longer wheelbase. Rear door windows are about 25% smaller than the 5th gen because they pushed the seat position so far back and rear doors are so small. Overall, to me, it sure looks like a big step back. Classic CALTY output - compromise for the sake of compromise. If this is real - I guess the LC250 has more chance of success than I thought it would. Feels like they intentionally nerfed the design to make room for the LC. Bummer.

The hardware side sounds like a nice update.

They already had this:

Hard to accept that this is an upgrade:



According to that it shares the same 112" wheelbase and length overall as the LC250. This looks almost unusable: (So it must have a 3rd row?)

Absolutely isn't a render.

That 5th gen is a 31" tire versus the Pro 6th gen on 33" tire. They've shoved a lot more tire under it and that is throwing the proportions off. The fender flares are a lot bigger and this will have proportions more like a higher trim Bronco.

As far as the rear seat space, look at where the center console is. Those seats are pushed all the way back. Compare that to where the console ends relative to the seatbacks in the Tacoma.

[dubprocess]

Will it still be made in Japan?

[AggieOE]

Originally Posted by Quentin

Absolutely isn't a render.

That 5th gen is a 31" tire versus the Pro 6th gen on 33" tire. They've shoved a lot more tire under it and that is throwing the proportions off. The fender flares are a lot bigger and this will have proportions more like a higher trim Bronco.

As far as the rear seat space, look at where the center console is. Those seats are pushed all the way back. Compare that to where the console ends relative to the seatbacks in the Tacoma.

This is what I'm thinking too: the front seats are pushed ALL the way back. The back door may be smaller but I think the fender flare, part of the door, is throwing off the visual dimensioning.

As with most new vehicles, it always takes a second to get past the shock and awe. I bet it will look good in person. But I will say... that Limited is looking really clean. Finally no more low hanging cladding. A rear locker and smaller wheels with body painted fenders would be nice.

[Quentin]

Originally Posted by AggieOE

This is what I'm thinking too: the front seats are pushed ALL the way back. The back door may be smaller but I think the fender flare, part of the door, is throwing off the visual dimensioning.

As with most new vehicles, it always takes a second to get past the shock and awe. I bet it will look good in person. But I will say... that Limited is looking really clean. Finally no more low hanging cladding. A rear locker and smaller wheels with body painted fenders would be nice.

Yea, the Limited is just a better set of wheels away from being a really nice spec if you want to be a little more subdued. I'd like the full time 4WD, but the Limited body always kept me away. This is doable.

Kinda excited to see where the TRD OR and SR5 go.

[jjjheimer]

The new design is growing on me but man it's been a long time coming. Do we know where this generation will be built?

[Colorado buff]

Originally Posted by Jetboy

If those are correct - I'm not in love with the design. Looks like a truck they had to configure into an SUV on a budget to me. The design language doesn't work for me. I hope it's just a render and they did a better job in real life. The hood is too long. The windshield is too sloped and roughly 40% of the vehicle length is wasted by that ungainly front design. So the passenger compartment looks like it got smaller despite the longer wheelbase. Rear door windows are about 25% smaller than the 5th gen because they pushed the seat position so far back and rear doors are so small. Overall, to me, it sure looks like a big step back. Classic CALTY output - compromise for the sake of compromise. If this is real - I guess the LC250 has more chance of success than I thought it would. Feels like they intentionally nerfed the design to make room for the LC. Bummer.

The hardware side sounds like a nice update.

They already had this:

Hard to accept that this is an upgrade:



According to that it shares the same 112" wheelbase and length overall as the LC250. This looks almost unusable: (So it must have a 3rd row?)

I’m with you I don’t think it’s aesthetically an upgrade at all from 5th or 3rd gens IMO. If you like 4th gen probably love this. I’m liking the landcruiser more. Curious to see the price difference between Land Cruiser and this. Wish the landcruiser had roll down rear window.

[Jetboy]

Originally Posted by AZ Craig

I noticed that too; the 2nd row leg room looks atrocious in the one picture Toyota provided. I'm really curious to see what those numbers are ultimately listed at versus the GX550 and LC250 in tandem with the cargo space ultimately. The hybrid system I'm sure is going to screw up the packaging of the trunk for the TRD Pro and Trailhunter and likely prevent a proper fold flat solution also.

In some ways a R1S just got more tempting for me .

Yeah. It looks like Tacoma rear leg room. If so - it's a hard pass for me. Unfortunately that may mean I'll never buy another new 4Runner. Next generation would be around 2040. The decision to move the cabin about 6 inches back on the chassis is both confusing to me and highly compromising the design. It's handicapped all the GAF models with no apparent utility. It didn't translate to better angles or more engine access. it's just sticking about 12" of dead space in front of the engine and cutting 6 inches or so out of the passenger space.

Toyota seems to be a hit every odd number generation and miss on every even number. Maybe this is just keeping with tradition?

[Jetboy]

Originally Posted by Quentin

Absolutely isn't a render.

That 5th gen is a 31" tire versus the Pro 6th gen on 33" tire. They've shoved a lot more tire under it and that is throwing the proportions off. The fender flares are a lot bigger and this will have proportions more like a higher trim Bronco.

As far as the rear seat space, look at where the center console is. Those seats are pushed all the way back. Compare that to where the console ends relative to the seatbacks in the Tacoma.

The tires are part of the oddness of it. But they also moved the cabin well back on the chassis. I think that's why even with the longer wheel base the rear door is a lot smaller and probably a 4-6 inch shorter interior cabin length. Just like the Tundra where the cabin is smaller and the bed is significantly smaller, but the truck got longer. The rear doors look smaller than a tacoma's.

Mostly it just looks like a tacoma with a rear cabin slapped on. And that's what it is, but the proportions don't work very well. It reminds me of a first generation Nissan Armada - the body lines don't fit well.



Maybe it'll look better on 35s or 37s? It'll be nice to see one in person in 2027 when they hit dealer lots.

[jhuerta22]

Originally Posted by Colorado buff

I’m with you I don’t think it’s aesthetically an upgrade at all from 5th or 3rd gens IMO. If you like 4th gen probably love this. I’m liking the landcruiser more. Curious to see the price difference between Land Cruiser and this. Wish the landcruiser had roll down rear window.

It's giving off some 4th gen vibes for sure. I didn't really care for the 5th gen facelift in 2014, but it's grown on me. Maybe this will too in time.

[Jetboy]

A quick very crude adjustment to what I think could have looked a lot better proportion wise. The difference here is simply aligning the body styling front to back as a unit. And shortening the hood while adding back the length to the rear door area.

[Kirium]

I'm not sure if I like it. It really reminds me of another vehicle, but I can't quite place it yet.

I do like the interior changes as I think that was something toyota really needed to update. I also like the engine changes and the towing capacity.

I have a 2018 TRD ORP right now with 175K miles. Not looking to change for a few years but then the hard part will be do I get another 4R , a GX or a Land Cruiser?

[KimchiJae]

Wow Toyota really knocked it out of the park with the 6th gen. I see a lot of similarities of the 6th gen with the 4th generation. The limited looks a bit ugly but as did the 5th gen Limited. Overall a pretty big win for Toyota. A lot of 4Runner fans are going to be really excited for this.

Honestly my biggest gripe about it is Toyota's recent trend of locking features behind expensive packages. To get the exact config you want may cost a lot more than expected.

[02SE]

Originally Posted by Jetboy

Yeah. It looks like Tacoma rear leg room. If so - it's a hard pass for me. Unfortunately that may mean I'll never buy another new 4Runner. Next generation would be around 2040. The decision to move the cabin about 6 inches back on the chassis is both confusing to me and highly compromising the design. It's handicapped all the GAF models with no apparent utility. It didn't translate to better angles or more engine access. it's just sticking about 12" of dead space in front of the engine and cutting 6 inches or so out of the passenger space.

Toyota seems to be a hit every odd number generation and miss on every even number. Maybe this is just keeping with tradition?

The "dead space" is probably for better crumple zone characteristics.