[02SE]

As for whether I like this new 6th gen, I'm not sure. Maybe seeing it in person will make a difference. Right now, I'm glad to have my 5th gen.

[cascadiarunner]

Ugh the departure angle 😢

[Jetboy]

Originally Posted by 02SE

The "dead space" is probably for better crumple zone characteristics.

I don't think it's crash related. There was plenty in the 5gth gen. I think it's just styling choice. It should at least have a frunk so we can store stuff up there.

Plus side: even an 8274 will fit in a hidden winch mount! So you could have 150 feet of winch rope.

[Jetboy]

Originally Posted by cascadiarunner

Ugh the departure angle 😢

That part I think is really hard to solve. It has to have about 40 inches from the rear axle to the rear bumper cross member to fit a 33 or 35" spare underneath. So the choice is to either have the departure angle as it is or move the tire up to the door. And then it's a PITA to have to move the spare tire every time you want to open it, or they can mount it on a side swing door like the J150. A bit of a catch 22.

[El Dusty]

I wanted to like it but I really dislike it overall. It looks like its made in Mexico...

From the side the Tacoma roof line from front to B pillar is ugly. Its too much of a merging of two current vehicles into one. The multilayered step outs to get to the fenders flares doesn't make sense. Its body lines coming up from the wheels are too harsh and the xterra like window line jumps would drive me nuts. Its overdecorated, overexaggerated and hard to wrap your head around compared to the 5th gen. There were so many decent community renders and concepts and this is worse than most.

[Humble Leader]

no thanks. the 5th gen is going to be the last 4 runner I own. sorry toyota but your vehicles are starting to look RICE'd out... the styling is really a love it or hate it. it screams for attention . maybe it's just the picture but that ingress/egress in the second row looks horrible. and it isn't even that great in the current 5th gen either

on the plus side it looks like the limited trim comes with a snowplow on the front. toyota moving in the wrong direction with worse angles as well. the exterior just looks so plasticy. ok enough negativity from me

this is a sad day for 4runner fans. most will disagree but give it 1-2 years and see how you're liking that 4cyl

[thatoneguy]

It seriously got 4-5" longer. Bleh. Sad. I was hoping for a length reduction. Making the approach/departure angles worse and added more empty space under the hood is exactly what I feared they would do. Those are let-down items to me.

As a bandaid for those items worsening offroadability, yay, bigger factory tires now. yay.

Windshield is a lot more slanted now, but that was kind of a requirement in the increasing MPG age. Everyone likes the 5th gen brick shape until it's time to road trip at reasonable mpg.

It's great that the hardware finally improved, and I get that they had to work with a lot of hard points on TNGA-F, but, still.

[Buckfever]

I guess my initial impression is that I prefer the styling of the Landcruiser edition.

[thatoneguy]

Originally Posted by Buckfever

I guess my initial impression is that I prefer the styling of the Landcruiser edition.

Same. If it's just rebodied Land Cruiser 250, same length and wheelbase, then I like the Land Cruiser more. A lot more. The LC has much more cohesive looks. These 4Runner images look like the team designing the back half didn't talk to the team designing the front half, who just copied the Tacoma from the A-pillar forward.

I'm shocked that, knowing how important the offroading thing is to 4Runner buyers, Toyota would go and make the approach and departure angles worse. That should've been prohibited during the design process. Maybe it would've just cost too much for the 4Runner to have a unique wheelbase and length of frame.

[Quentin]

Originally Posted by Jetboy

Yeah. It looks like Tacoma rear leg room. If so - it's a hard pass for me. Unfortunately that may mean I'll never buy another new 4Runner. Next generation would be around 2040. The decision to move the cabin about 6 inches back on the chassis is both confusing to me and highly compromising the design. It's handicapped all the GAF models with no apparent utility. It didn't translate to better angles or more engine access. it's just sticking about 12" of dead space in front of the engine and cutting 6 inches or so out of the passenger space.

Toyota seems to be a hit every odd number generation and miss on every even number. Maybe this is just keeping with tradition?

Not hard to make the 5th gen look tight in the rear legroom either.

That said, I expect it to be a smidge smaller inside. The 5th gen is from 2009 and was panned for roof crush strength all the way back then. This new one will probably do a lot better on all versions of crash testing and that will probably take its toll on interior space even though it is roughly the same size vehicle. Most vehicles don’t have 15 years between redesigns where the change is so pronounced.


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[Pyral]

Seeing this makes me believe Toyota just doesn't respect the 4runner name.

The 4runner ruled its segment for 30 years, and was going steady despite being forgotten about for the last 15 years. And despite this, Toyota bumped it in favor of the Land Cruiser name.

The Land Cruiser was a total wild card. They could have made it into anything: Wrangler competitor with front SA, a bronco competitor with a removable roof, or a 70 series like thing that would offer van like space with 4x4 capability.

Instead of fixing the obvious gaps in their SUV lineup, Toyota put the Land Cruiser in the one segment that didn't need changes, the 4runner's segment. Even worse, the way they've done it, they demoted the 4runner because it's extremely similar while being based on a less premium vehicle.

And I know that the new Tacoma, Tundra, and Sequoia have lost metal skid plates on all but the off road trims. And the 4runner will likely continue this. So this better be a lot cheaper for it to make sense. Especially if it's made in Mexico.

[bzizzi]

Toyota nailed it ! It looks like a 4Runner, awesome, has hints of the fifth in the design.

[Humble Leader]

all toyota had to do was refresh the interior, a slightly larger screen with maybe some more offroad goodies like offer a front locker and sway bar disconnect, fix the rust/water issues with the liftgate trim, used better paint, made it easier for people to fit larger tires without modifications and people would have been happy.

[Jetboy]

Originally Posted by Quentin

Not hard to make the 5th gen look tight in the rear legroom either.

That said, I expect it to be a smidge smaller inside. The 5th gen is from 2009 and was panned for roof crush strength all the way back then. This new one will probably do a lot better on all versions of crash testing and that will probably take its toll on interior space even though it is roughly the same size vehicle. Most vehicles don’t have 15 years between redesigns where the change is so pronounced.


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I think we'll find out more later today. It's just been the trend at Toyota to cut the interior size for styling purposes. We're looking at the same footprint as an LC200. I'd hope we see at least comparable rear seat legroom to the 5th gen.

Rollover in real world safety is quite good on the 4Runner. Lots of examples of rollovers I've seen have also held up very well and it has very low occupant death rates. Sometimes the test lab and real world don't match up very well. I'd imagine the new gen is improved. But I don't think the styling is dictated by it. The LC250 is much better IMO.

In this case, the oddness of the look to me is the A pillar sloped back significantly and the long hood combine to move the driver's seat location back quite a bit. I think Toyota had to separate from the LC250 so it went with this style choice.

Even this one the driver supposedly walked away:

[lawless97]

I don't hate it, but I definitely like the new Land Cruiser design much more. If LC had a roll down rear window it would be a no-brainer for me over this. But this design could grow on me. I do think it will look dated a few years from now.