[gomiami]

Originally Posted by westwind77

So....after a month of hard thought I realized I just do not want that new 6th Gen so found a new '24 Limited in Wind Chill Pearl and brought it home last week.

I would have gone for the Limited '25, and I do like the exterior of that model, based on the videos/photos. I can say I am not a fan of some of the other trim line exteriors though.

I just can't get how 'bad' the interior of the new '25 is! They make it look so cheap, IMO. Who wants a giant 'TOYOTA' advertisement on the passenger dash?!?! That is worse than the people who put their make/model on their WS tint strip! It just looks to plastic and cheap, again, just my opinion.

I will say, after about a week with the new '24 I am beyond happy! I held off because I did not think the tech was 'up-to-date' enough, and I was wrong. This thing has so many options, settings, features, etc.

This is coming from someone who bought one of the first 5th Generations in the Northeast - I put a deposit down on it weeks before it arrived at the dealership and when it did it was the only one within 200 miles. I took it for a spin and signed the papers. I looked at the photos/videos and knew it was the vehicle for me.....the same way I looked at the photos/videos of the '25 and know that is NOT the vehicle for me anymore.

Hopefully Toyota will make the '25 a bit more refined, especially the Limited, for those of us who want a nice interior but still want to be able to do a bit of adventuring now and then.

Being a new Generation I think the 1st, and maybe 2nd year, sales will be strong, but I have a feeling they will fall off quickly after that.

I am curious to see what it looks like after year 3 compared to how the 5th Gen sold....time will tell.

Excellent choice on the last 5th gen Limited in what I think is the best color for that trim. The Pearl with the Redwood interior was my preferred choice when I had my deposit of a 4Runner before I switched over to the GX460 at the last minute.

Congrats.

[AZ Craig]

Originally Posted by gomiami

Yeah. I just can't imagine sales will remain robust on Toyota SUVs at these price points. Same thing with the pricing on the new GX550.

I think the GX550 pricing is fine though and will sell well if you look at the competition. A decent Defender with the 3.0 is at least $75K and can easily run into the $80s or more if optioned decently. For Japanese reliability BoF (and hell, BoF in general unless you include the American monster SUVs) you pretty much have a null set other than maybe a fully loaded Sequoia Capstone which I think also pushes well over $80K. Vehicles like the Mercedes G then are in a whole other pricing category well over $100K.

In some ways I think the bigger question mark becomes what is the financial advantage of a decently equipped Land Cruiser (in the $68K to low $70K range) versus a lower trim GX550 for a lot of people. If the 4Runner Limited and Platinum pricing lines up around $60K (which it may very well based on the Tacoma pricing), this is another reason I could see some people moving up to the Lexus instead.

[gomiami]

Originally Posted by AZ Craig

I think the GX550 pricing is fine though and will sell well if you look at the competition. A decent Defender with the 3.0 is at least $75K and can easily run into the $80s or more if optioned decently. For Japanese reliability BoF (and hell, BoF in general unless you include the American monster SUVs) you pretty much have a null set other than maybe a fully loaded Sequoia Capstone which I think also pushes well over $80K. Vehicles like the Mercedes G then are in a whole other pricing category well over $100K.

In some ways I think the bigger question mark becomes what is the financial advantage of a decently equipped Land Cruiser (in the $68K to low $70K range) versus a lower trim GX550 for a lot of people. If the 4Runner Limited and Platinum pricing lines up around $60K (which it may very well based on the Tacoma pricing), this is another reason I could see some people moving up to the Lexus instead.

I agree with you, in theory. Toyota is competitively priced with other manufacturers and Toyota/Lexus quality is a nice advantage.

My main concern is that the entire industry is pricing itself out of the market.

The automotive industry is fast approaching a breaking point where people, in the numbers manufacturers and dealerships need to keep record profits continuing, will either simply stop justifying $50k, $60k, $70k, window stickers for a daily driver or they won't qualify for a car loan even if they are willing to pay because of high interest rates and tightening bank credit.