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Old 04-23-2024, 12:58 PM #1
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If the new sale fails, they will have to bring a new 4runner again for a large majority of "loyal" customers as they could meet their demand, such as bigger tank and real V6. Nissan still makes v6 and there has been rumor about new Xterra. I dont know if the new Land Cruiser would be a big hit.
Oh for goodness sakes. The new 4Runner won’t fail because the gas tank is marginally smaller. Given the increased fuel economy, it will have as good or better range than the 5th gen. Nor will it fail because they have replaced that horrible 4.0 with a modern turbo 4 that has better power, better low-end torque, better fuel economy, and better NVH.

The folks here are 4Runner enthusiasts. The grumbling you read here has nothing to do with the opinion of the majority of buyers. This is the same type of grumbling that has happened among enthusiasts at the launch of every generation of the 4Runner. And each time the new generation has sold well despite the grumbling of enthusiasts who hate change.

Drive the new turbo 4 before you decide that you hate it. I think you will find that it drives far better than the awful 4.0 and 5-speed combination.
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Old 04-23-2024, 01:18 PM #2
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Oh for goodness sakes. The new 4Runner won’t fail because the gas tank is marginally smaller. Given the increased fuel economy, it will have as good or better range than the 5th gen. Nor will it fail because they have replaced that horrible 4.0 with a modern turbo 4 that has better power, better low-end torque, better fuel economy, and better NVH.

The folks here are 4Runner enthusiasts. The grumbling you read here has nothing to do with the opinion of the majority of buyers. This is the same type of grumbling that has happened among enthusiasts at the launch of every generation of the 4Runner. And each time the new generation has sold well despite the grumbling of enthusiasts who hate change.

Drive the new turbo 4 before you decide that you hate it. I think you will find that it drives far better than the awful 4.0 and 5-speed combination.
I have my car with 2.5 with turbo and the mid size trucks have a bit smaller cylinders. Toyota downsizes their engines and it could switch EV on everything. Stop acting like a representative for Toyota.
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I have my car with 2.5 with turbo and the mid size trucks have a bit smaller cylinders. Toyota downsizes their engines and it could switch EV on everything. Stop acting like a representative for Toyota.
2023 4Runner 270 hp @ 5600 rpm, 278 lb-ft at 4400 rpm

2025 hybrid will have 326 hp and 465 lb-ft, both at far lower rpm than the 4.0.

The only good thing about the previous powertrain was its reliability. The 4.0 gets horrible fuel economy, worse than most full-size pickups. The 4.0 has poor low-end torque. The 4.0 has to be wound up to high rpm to make power and that engine has terrible noise, vibration, and harshness.

I have been strongly criticizing the 2023 drivetrain, which a Toyota representative would not do.

Toyota is not switching to EV everything — you are just changing the topic and throwing out an objection hoping that something will stick to the wall.

Test drive the new powertrain before you declare it to be terrible. Your local dealer probably has a 2024 Tacoma in stock. Go drive one.
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I like to keep things in perspective.
A 1964 Corvette was 0 to 60 in 8.0 seconds.
My 22 4runner, 7.8 seconds.
Yes, this is my first post on this board.
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I like to keep things in perspective.
A 1964 Corvette was 0 to 60 in 8.0 seconds.
My 22 4runner, 7.8 seconds.
Yes, this is my first post on this board.
Lurked for a while.
I had a 1978 Trans Am with the "high output" 6.6L V8 and a 4-speed manual transmission. My 5,900 lb Land Cruiser is faster and gets better fuel economy. A new minivan would probably give my old "muscle car" a run for its money.
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I had a 1978 Trans Am with the "high output" 6.6L V8 and a 4-speed manual transmission. My 5,900 lb Land Cruiser is faster and gets better fuel economy. A new minivan would probably give my old "muscle car" a run for its money.
We had a 2004 Honda Odessey with the V6...holy moly was that thing quick off the line!

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We had a 2004 Honda Odessey with the V6...holy moly was that thing quick off the line!
My 2003 and 2004 Accord Coupes had a 3.0L version of that V6 and a 6-speed manual. High 13 quarter miles if you're aggressive with it. As quick or quicker than any or almost any muscle car of the 60's/70's. Not bad for an old family car.
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My 2003 and 2004 Accord Coupes had a 3.0L version of that V6 and a 6-speed manual. High 13 quarter miles if you're aggressive with it. As quick or quicker than any or almost any muscle car of the 60's/70's. Not bad for an old family car.
My Bride has a 2016 Accord Touring with the V6 it FLIES
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