How did the engineers manage to increase the size of the vehicle but reduce the gas tank by 3 gallons.

The new land cruiser has 17.9 gallon tank. That is scary.

GA-F seems like a very compromised platform.

You can do whatever you want, but Toyota isn't going to spend money to redesign the fuel tank because a few enthusiasts want it. They've already designed the fuel tank and they aren't going to change that design -- that horse is already out of the barn, jumped the fence, and into the back 40.

If the new sale fails, they will have to bring a new 4runner again for a large majority of "loyal" customers as they could meet their demand, such as bigger tank and real V6. Nissan still makes v6 and there has been rumor about new Xterra. I dont know if the new Land Cruiser would be a big hit.

Oh for goodness sakes. The new 4Runner won’t fail because the gas tank is marginally smaller. Given the increased fuel economy, it will have as good or better range than the 5th gen. Nor will it fail because they have replaced that horrible 4.0 with a modern turbo 4 that has better power, better low-end torque, better fuel economy, and better NVH.

The folks here are 4Runner enthusiasts. The grumbling you read here has nothing to do with the opinion of the majority of buyers. This is the same type of grumbling that has happened among enthusiasts at the launch of every generation of the 4Runner. And each time the new generation has sold well despite the grumbling of enthusiasts who hate change.

Drive the new turbo 4 before you decide that you hate it. I think you will find that it drives far better than the awful 4.0 and 5-speed combination.

I have my car with 2.5 with turbo and the mid size trucks have a bit smaller cylinders. Toyota downsizes their engines and it could switch EV on everything. Stop acting like a representative for Toyota.

2023 4Runner 270 hp @ 5600 rpm, 278 lb-ft at 4400 rpm

2025 hybrid will have 326 hp and 465 lb-ft, both at far lower rpm than the 4.0.

The only good thing about the previous powertrain was its reliability. The 4.0 gets horrible fuel economy, worse than most full-size pickups. The 4.0 has poor low-end torque. The 4.0 has to be wound up to high rpm to make power and that engine has terrible noise, vibration, and harshness.

I have been strongly criticizing the 2023 drivetrain, which a Toyota representative would not do.

Toyota is not switching to EV everything — you are just changing the topic and throwing out an objection hoping that something will stick to the wall.

Test drive the new powertrain before you declare it to be terrible. Your local dealer probably has a 2024 Tacoma in stock. Go drive one.

Geez i know the numbers but the hybrid is two sources to boost some bs and shorten the term. 4.0 is plenty and takes less slapping which would run longer. That could hit 500k miles. I am waiting to check OR trim but not in rush. You should run hybrid version for many miles and keep here posted. Try to reach 500k with original powertrain.

Napkin math, if you intend to drive 500k miles on the power train, comparing the new model's fuel economy vs the old one's, at an average of $3/gal, the T2.4H would let you bank about $12000 by the time you hit 300K miles. Probably pays for a new block.

And of course, the portion of 4Runner drivers who achieve 500K on their vehicles as <checks invented stats> under 0.2%, so it's a moot point for Toyota design criteria.

Geez. That saves you alot if you dont buy another 4runner. The current 4runner is a bit cheaper. You dont know what the prices of next gene will be. That could increase $10k for turbo engine or $20 for hybrid versions plus a lot of cool features. Go back to your pre-algebra course.

Stop feeding the troll ;).

You own 2023 Yacht Blue Kia EV6 GT. No wonder.

That's a slippery slope arguing gas savings will offset a higher MSRP and higher cost of ownership vehicle. Historically hybrids and turbos are great until warranties end and they flood the market and tank in price with fewer owners willing to take the cost risk.

The new TRD Pro Taco is 17k more than the previous generation Thats 4.4 cents per mile savings or 386k miles to pay for the MSRP alone. (18 vs 23 mpg on taco)

I am optimistic but this is a big jump in one iteration from a car manufacturer that is know for being painfully cautious with updates.

Wasn't going to waste my time with this further, but if you want to throw shade with a snide comment like that.

Who said I own it? I wouldn't make that bad a financial decision.

The decision I did make was to lease a $63K car with a $14K cap cost reduction on it for a payment lower than the Audi I purchased... eleven years earlier.

Having fun with it for 3 years and then it goes back to Hyundai/Kia Motor Finance who is going to get hosed on the residual value. Actually brings me more smiles than almost any vehicle I've had, can run 0 to 60 mph in just over 3 seconds and costs me about 15% of what my 4Runner does in "fuel" costs currently. Coming up on 6000 miles in ~5 months with no regrets and not a single problem.

If you have a garage you can charge in, are a multi-car family and do a lot of driving in a major metropolitan area with car charging infrastructure (which you'll almost never need), EVs are a genius decision. Especially to lease with the market all screwed up.

Meanwhile, go enjoy the earth being flat.