I guess my point was that there are plenty of comparable gas SUVs with 0 to 60 times in the 6 second range or lower. The GX550 has been clocked in the low 6s. The Jeep Grand Cherokee 4xe is clocked in the mid 5s. The Defender 110 is in the high 5s.

0 to 60 times in the 8 second or higher range can be a liability for merging and over taking at high speed. If I'm going to pull out to pass a tractor trailer on a rural 2 lane in Arizona (with a speed limit typically of 65), I don't want to feel like my car is going to explode before crashing into oncoming traffic. That was my point .

It's not THAT bad lol. I live in CO and drive through UT and NM decently often to camp. I have done it fully loaded with a RTT as well multiple times. I do have a magnuson now, but it was still doable without it, just is a bit easier now. My mpg did take a hit though

I would not trade in my 2018 and plan to keep it forever, but if I was in the market right now and didn't have the 2018 I would probably wait a year for them to work out issues and consider the 6th gen.

I think they need to be around $45-50k for the 1958 and maybe $55k for the "Land Cruiser" grade for me to be serious about buying one. TBH - I think we'll get there pretty fast. There's no reason they should cost any more than a Limited 4Runner and I tend to think that regardless of MSRP, they'll trend to that price point within a year or two.

I've seen a few pushing $5k under MSRP. cargurus.com <here's one listed at $54k. I think there's still room to go on the down side of MSRP. I'm not impressed at the $65k price point. At $40k - I'd be really impressed. At $50k I might be a buyer. I can buy a Limited trim Tundra 4x4 Crewmax TTv6 for $55k without much effort. The LC250 should be less expensive, especially in base trim.

I generally disagree with this. It's not like merging and overtaking were impossible in the days before fast SUVs. If you're really going for a dicey two-lane road pass instead of just waiting for a better spot, you paid for the whole tachometer and you can use the whole tachometer. By the way, I bet a 6G 4Runner hybrid will do high speed passes better than an LC250--it's way more aerodynamic, and that REALLY matters at 70+mph.

All of the examples you described cost more than a 4Runner or even base LC250, some significantly so. Spending a lot of money often comes with extra power.

I have driven 95% of state highway miles in Utah. I am unaware of a single onramp where an 8.0 second 0to60 time could put you in harm's way. The 5th gen is a brick limited to a 5-speed transmission--yes, if you demand to go 80-85mph with the A/C on, it might not always hold top gear. I rarely drive my 5th gen with cruise control on--it is poorly calibrated in these vehicles and unnecessarily downshifts the transmission in situations where CC off will not do so. I'm not a speed demon in my 5G. I never cruise about 75mph because I have no interest in doing so. I bleed speed going up steep hills. I go up the top of parleys' canyon at 65mph. Stuff like this is why my lifetime average MPG is above 20; highway, city, offroading and all.

I lived in Utah the entire time I owned my 5th gen. I never found it unsafe or even slow to the point that I felt like I needed more power in an absolute sense. What I always really wanted was more power at 2k rpms to make the driving experience more comfortable. It's the NVH from higher rpms from the 1GR that I wanted to avoid more than I ever felt like I couldn't go as fast as I wanted. Part of that is the 5 speed. An 8 speed behind the 1GR would have done as much or more to improve the driving experience than a supercharger to me. It's something I find more enjoyable driving the Tundra - the 5.7 isn't a particularly smooth or quiet engine at higher rpms, nor do I use the power very often outside of towing. It's just nice to have it cruise along unstressed without having to think about it. I like the 5th gen 4Runner styling a LOT better than the new one as well as the interior layout. I'd really love to see a low pressure aftermarket turbo option for the 5th gen. Even with only 5psi if it came on at 1200-1500 rpms, it would totally transform that engine for highway cruising comfort levels.

Also for folks who don't know - cruise control in the Tundra is horrendous as well. Maybe even worse at times. In the Tundra if you ever drop into 3rd gear it de-powers the engine to maybe 50% or less. And it would eventually bring you down to a stop I think. It's so bizarre. Where it's most bad is when you're towing at slower speeds. I live in Alaska now and there's lot of mountainous places I tow my travel trailer at speeds of 45-55mph. That's the speed limits in a lot of places. But I can't use cruise control because the inclines often want to drop into 3rd gear - because I'm going 45mph, not because it needs to redline for power up a pass. But when it drops down, all of the sudden it drops the power as though you cut off the cruise control. I'd love to understand what the logic was from Toyota on that one. It's pretty aggravating for me when I'm trying to go 600 miles and can't use cruise control on empty roads going 55mph.

So the new 2024 Tacoma is not selling, is it the new higher price, or the 4 cylinder engine that people don't want. I watched several videos on YouTube on the new Tacoma and in most cases the re-design and turbo engine have not been totally accepted by the Toyota buying public, they want their V6 back. Since the new 2025 4 Runner is going to be pretty much the same as the new Tacoma mechanically and body shape, shouldn't the results be pretty much the same.

Toyota sold 18,600 Tacomas in July, compared with 20,100 last July. That's a 7-8% drop on a brand new platform that's still ramping up all the offerings like the hybrid. Doesn't seem like they've delivered too many absolute base models yet.

Falling the sky is not. The lack of a V6 does not kill sales when the newer powertrain is better in every way. Most of these "no 4cyl" people will eventually buy one after they've gotten used to the idea for several years.

Considering the economic times we're in, I think the new Tacoma is selling fairly well. It would be selling even better if they didn't crank up the prices. I hope Toyota decides they want full volume back and holds pricing flat for model year 2025. I would love a slight drop in MSRPs but that's too wishful of thinking.

Toyota will come around in time, I plan to keep owning Toyota's and Lexus in the future. I saw adds for the Toyota Tacoma and Tundra with big discounts and special finance rates, this may help sales, but as the U S economy is somewhat questionable and where it's going, who know where vehicle sales will be. With the introduction of the new Land Cruiser and the re-design 4 Runner at a time when money is tight and vehicles going up in price, who knows where it's all going.