Originally Posted by trainman605

My wife and I both came from Honda's, an Acura RLX and a Ridgeline. Today we are driving the 2021 Lexus RX 350 and the 2024 Gen 5 4 Runner. All have been V6's with the standard FI engines, all got very good fuel mileage and no problems whatsoever, so why does Toyota now have to put the 2.4 engines in everything, it sure wasn't to improve fuel mileage over the Honda's. If Toyota doesn't go back to V6's and Honda still builds the FI V6 I will probably return to Honda's when it comes time to replace the Toyota vehicles.

Originally Posted by esto70

Quentin,

A little off topic from this thread, but...I've been a 4Runner owner since 2005. I've owned a 2005 SR5, and 2010 and 2013 Limiteds. I love 4Runners and Toyota trucks in general.

I know this is sacrilege here, but in 2020 I traded in my '13 4R Limited for a new 2020 Honda Passport Elite. For those who don't know, the passport is marketed as a 2-row off-road oriented mid-size SUV. Basically, it's a Pilot for people who don't want to be seen driving a pilot. I honestly love my passport. It's SUPER quiet. I get 25-27 mpg on the highway with the stock tires and 3.5L v6. I can cram a ridiculous amount of mountain bikes and gear in that thing and road trip all summer. It's an amazing road trip vehicle.

There's a completely new passport coming out next year that I'm excited about. It's going to keep the traditional 3.5L v6 and pick up some new off road goodies. No, it's not body-on-frame. It's a crossover and not a real truck. But if you're looking for something a little more tame, road friendly, and family friendly, the passport fills that niche pretty nicely.

Originally Posted by trainman605

It's going to be interesting to see how the 2.4 Turbos, new transmissions, and Hybrids work out in the new vehicles, 4-Runner and Land Cruiser. I say this because the new Tacoma's are having several problems with the new vehicles and they are not selling, cost is also a big factor as well as taking the V6 and 5-spd trans out of vehicles that have proven themselves over the past 15-20 years. Remember these two vehicles sold because of the reliability and high mileage that these vehicles were known for, now Toyota has thrown monkey a wrench into their new models and so far there have been problems with these new vehicles. For those of you who watch "The Car Care Nut" on YouTube he does go into the new Turbo engines longevity and repair cost is going to much higher than the old V6 engines. For wife and me (2022 Lexus RX 350 and 2024 Toyota 4-Runner) we are set for the future, so Turbos and 4-cylinder engine are out for the time being, but when the time comes, I hope this engine thing has worked itself out. is ticking.

Originally Posted by thatoneguy

The 2.4's do have considerable efficiency gains over their older 3.5L and 4.0L V6's, doubly so when hybridized. They also meet modern emissions standards, which is something Toyota has to consider. The 1GR 4.0L was emissions compliant until 2026, they were not going to be able to sell it forever, and I don't think they had any more realistic bandaids available for that engine. Even if they did, EPA 17mpg combined in a midsize SUV is class lowest.

There's stuff to like about the new engines, even if you're not going to buy one. Such as torque higher than the old 5.7L V8, while getting nearly twice the MPG that V8 did. The turbo torque at altitude is also nice. The 1GR becomes a joke north of 7,000ft, and an absolute clown show past 10,000, IMO.

Originally Posted by KimchiJae

I agree with you. Also, in some ways the inline4 turbo is actually a simpler design than past V8s.

Half the heads, half the cams, half the gaskets, half the manifolds. Fewer valves, simpler timing chain, etc etc.

My main wish is that Toyota went with a straight six for their larger vehicles. A V6TT retains all the bad parts of the V style engine and adds complexity. Inline engines are simple by design.