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Old 10-09-2019, 01:27 PM #16
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I just got back from a trip to the Sierras. Towed the trailer probably 500 miles, up to 7,000+ ft elevation at the highest pass. It certainly was a lot more enjoyable with the more responsive throttle, but I still wish I had lower gearing or a lot more torque. It's pretty annoying to listen to the engine at 3,500 RPM for more than a short period of time.
That's good to know, I appreciate the update. I will be buying that pedal commander, and by then I'll probably have the cold air intake and a new exhaust. They should help as well. But that is like 2 years down the road.
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I think you need to read the original post again. I never said that I towed the trailer with the Pathfinder. Although, I find the slightly lower gearing much more pleasant in the Pathfinder...

I bought the 4Runner to replace the Pathfinder since it's pretty old and worn with many miles on the meter.
Comparing the (2) so
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That's good to know, I appreciate the update. I will be buying that pedal commander, and by then I'll probably have the cold air intake and a new exhaust. They should help as well. But that is like 2 years down the road.
What model 4Runner do you have? My TRD Off Road has an air intake through the wheel well, so it should already be a CAI if I'm not mistaken. I'm no expert though, so take it with a grain of salt :-)
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Well it IS a NA gas V-6, that's 2 things that require higher RPMs, especially at altitude with towing. I towed a 5,000 pound trailer from Ohio to Colorado about a year ago, never saw 5th gear the whole way. Locked it out....of course that is mostly a flat drive.

If power is the only thing lacking...rather than a new vehicle, have you considered getting the supercharger? Plenty of good reviews about it (and videos on Youtube).

Member MillerPKA just had one installed on his new Runner....as I understand it, $6000 for parts plus labor for the install. That is a WHOLE bunch less expensive than the loss you'd take getting a new vehicle.

Here's one video...skip to about 9:30-10:00 for the good discussion.

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Well it IS a NA gas V-6, that's 2 things that require higher RPMs, especially at altitude with towing. I towed a 5,000 pound trailer from Ohio to Colorado about a year ago, never saw 5th gear the whole way. Locked it out....of course that is mostly a flat drive.

If power is the only thing lacking...rather than a new vehicle, have you considered getting the supercharger? Plenty of good reviews about it (and videos on Youtube).

Member MillerPKA just had one installed on his new Runner....as I understand it, $6000 for parts plus labor for the install. That is a WHOLE bunch less expensive than the loss you'd take getting a new vehicle.

Here's one video...skip to about 9:30-10:00 for the good discussion.

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Yeah, I've thought about the supercharger, but it's just too costly for me. And I'm hesitant to go too crazy with aftermarket stuff, especially for something like the engine. Someone told me that Toyota makes a TRD supercharger that wouldn't break the factory warranty, but I haven't been able to find that anywhere.
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I guess 10 grand cash is tougher to come up with than vehicle financing.
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deal with it, $2k for a re-gear, or if your towing constantly get into something more suitable
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You need to find a single cab short bed Tundra. Good offroad and towing.

Towing regularly with a 4Runner? I'd say you have the wrong vehicle unless you want to regear.
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The Tundra has serious torque compared to my 3rd Gen. It is fun to drive, but not in cities. I hate the interior. I like the F150 interior better. My coworker traded in his Chevy Avalanche for a Titan. He says the Titan smokes the LS powered Avalanche... He tows heavy stuff.

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@outdoorbound I recently switched from a 4Runner to a Tundra. It's definitely a different world; there are plusses and minuses. Unless you're likely to be in very tight spaces or trails that require crazy approach/departure angles, I wouldn't worry about the difference in off-road capability. Is the 4Runner better? Yes. Will a Tundra with good tires and weight distribution get you where you need to go? Almost certainly.

The Tundra has tons more interior room. TONS. The flip side of that is that it (of course) takes up more room in parking spaces. Gas mileage still sucks, but it's not really any different than my modded 4Runner. When it comes towing or merging in to traffic there isn't really any comparison, though. If you are towing all the time, I think your life will be much easier in a Tundra.
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@outdoorbound I recently switched from a 4Runner to a Tundra. It's definitely a different world; there are plusses and minuses. Unless you're likely to be in very tight spaces or trails that require crazy approach/departure angles, I wouldn't worry about the difference in off-road capability. Is the 4Runner better? Yes. Will a Tundra with good tires and weight distribution get you where you need to go? Almost certainly.

The Tundra has tons more interior room. TONS. The flip side of that is that it (of course) takes up more room in parking spaces. Gas mileage still sucks, but it's not really any different than my modded 4Runner. When it comes towing or merging in to traffic there isn't really any comparison, though. If you are towing all the time, I think your life will be much easier in a Tundra.

I agree. my wife drives a 4runner and I have a Tundra TRD pro.
I really like the 4R ability to mod. It's nimble and handles well down the trails.
I would never tow with it though.

The only negative Tundra for towing is the oem brake controller. Lot's on complaints with it not working.
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I guess 10 grand cash is tougher to come up with than vehicle financing.
Why you think debt is so high?

Everyone just borrows every $ they can. Sometime I feel a little bad when I go to the dealer.

There is always that one kid that I heard the dealer asking if they got any $ down.

Credit unions hand out loads like candy.
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Having driven over 10k feet I know the 4Runner is not real fast, it I donít think it would be much of an issue. Perhaps itís a matter of tolerance.

I was recently towing an enclosed uhaul 6x12, which is 1920lbs empty according to uhaul. I had another 5-700 lbs in. So letís say about the weight of OPs trailer.

Yeah I felt it back there but at 600 feet I wasnít slowed down too much. At 7000 Iíd feel it. It I do t expect it to be horrible, although thatís subjective.

Iíve driven lifted and modded 1st gen xterras that really are slow and recently traded my eco boost f150 on the 4Runner.
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I have a tundra and 2018 trd pro 4 runner. I tow 10k toyhauler with the tundra and it is a beast. When towing my utv trailer up to mammoth fully loaded with 2 canam utvs it weighs over 4500 lbs n u don't know it is there other than stopping for fuel more frequently...lol I don't tow any of that with the 4 runner unless it is a short trip with no hills. The v6 isn't a beast when towing in mountainous terrain, no fix for that. The Tundra is a beast on the road but offroad the 4 runner is king. I have a 6 lift 35 tires n a rear locker. When I needed to go get a broke offroad toy the tundra has never failed. No it isn't built to go up the Rubicon but retrieving a broke bike from miller jeep trail was no problem. The tundra is your solution and there r tons of aftermarket goodies to keep you customizing your truck for years. Making the Tundra into an overlander is what my buddy did and he loves the power of Tundra over his 4th gen runner because now he has no weight issues with all his gear. Fuel economy sucks but so does the 5th gen when towing

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I have a 99 4runner and a 2019 Tundra, i used to have a 2004 sequoia... I tow a tow toy hauler with d/w @ 3k lbs, adding just camping gear (no toys yet) I'd safely say it's 4k lbs.

I drove to Idaho (from AZ) in the sequoia + trailer and it's was, well, lacking, I even bought a SC for the 4.7 and before install, my wife 'tricked' me into the Tundra

same route with the trailer but in the tundra, wow, what a difference, keeping speed up grades, getting up to speed with trailer, yeah, it was nice. world of difference. word of advice, don't get the TRD exhaust... not best with trailers, I'm very happy i don't have it.

I can't imagine towing this with the 99 4Runner, yeah it's 'rated for 5k lbs' but I don't believe that's today's standards.

I do offroad, I don't like the skinny trails personally, I can't imaging taking the tundra off any other road than normal forest roads. the lack of any 'offroad' modern gadgets really sucks, but at least it does have traditional 4wd, and 4.30 gears... adding a locker with make it equal to my 99, except for the size.

that being said, the tundra can hold it's own offroad. without the locker you may need momentum on your side for 2 wheel moments.

I too am afraid of truly offroading the tundra, it's huge, but like others have said, keep it simple. I think over time it's just going to be more natural to offroad the tundra.
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