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Old 02-23-2021, 12:10 AM #1
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The upcoming hybrid Jeep Wrangler...

So I was looking out of curiosity because to see where Toyota is going you can look at competitors to get an idea. The new Hybrid Wranglers engine design mixed with the name Chrysler Fiat gave me indigestion.

Do you think were too hard on them? Like quality wise? Seems like all brands have good and bad items off the assembly line, even Toyota gave a bad 2019 suspension part and I believe 2020 front shocks are bad in cold weather?

I ultimately chose 4Runner over a Wrangler after 6 months of research and I still think about my decision. I read the good, the bad.

I also saw the Wrangler engine from the hood perspective and there is absolutely no room to work on things yourself. You will be taking parts off to get to parts. Smells like a tactic to get customers coming back to the dealership for repairs.

I was looking at my 4Runner engine today and just loved how spacious it is. Idk if Im willing to give that up when its time to go electric.


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So I was looking out of curiosity because to see where Toyota is going you can look at competitors to get an idea. The new Hybrid Wranglers engine design mixed with the name “ Chrysler Fiat” gave me indigestion.

Do you think we’re too hard on them? Like quality wise? Seems like all brands have good and bad items off the assembly line, even Toyota gave a bad 2019 suspension part and I believe 2020 front shocks are bad in cold weather?

I ultimately chose 4Runner over a Wrangler after 6 months of research and I still think about my decision. I read the good, the bad.

I also saw the Wrangler engine from the hood perspective and there is absolutely no room to work on things yourself. You will be taking parts off to get to parts. Smells like a tactic to get customers coming back to the dealership for repairs.

I was looking at my 4Runner engine today and just loved how spacious it is. Idk if I’m willing to give that up when it’s time to go electric.


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I think that the reliability high horse is justified for Tahara-made vehicles as most related to one or another version of the Land Cruiser. Other Toyotas also deserve their reputation, to be sure, but not to the same degree.

FCA and Ford have had fantastic designs when it comes to fun (JL, TRX, Raptor, Bronco) that Toyota cannot match. But execution has remained spotty and practicality has not been nearly as great as with a 4R.

I like all vehicles that do something really, really well and don't leave you stranded on just because basis.

For electrics, I am all for electrics, but full EVs only. Hybrids to me sound like the worst of both worlds rather than the best. When it comes to a 4x4, I want as little complexity as possible and I want to be able to DIY suspension work and do basic field repairs. A full EV means very little worry about engines or transmissions, no transfer case, etc, etc. But until it is proven for solo offroading, it will probably be another decade.

I have zero interest in parting ways with the 4R, but down the road I could be tempted to add a more specialized vehicle like a mid-size version of the CyberTruck if it comes with a long travel suspension from the factory or a pure electric 2-dr Wrangler or Bronco for crawling, depending on whether speed or low range appeal more to me by then Either could take city duty, too, leaving the 4R as a pure touring/camping vehicle that goes fast and does rocks but is neither a dedicated desert runner, nor a top rock crawler.
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