I've had two girlfriends (one's my current) who both owned '04 GCs and bothy have had headaches with them and both have less than 80k on them. Most of the issues were electrical but one had a problem with the AWD mode and 4lo,the other had the interior lights get stuck on and the power locks quit working. Trim pieces were loose in both interiors around the door pulls and both had more hatch rattles then mine which I have 156k on mine and it's been on the road for over 12 years.

Jeeps GCs do have their charm and look good and are capable off road but they simply aren't built as solid as a Toyota and I'm not saying it as a Toyota fan boy as my 4runner is only the 2nd Toyota I've owned in 24 years. I've owned a lot of different makes and how I've seen it as most things Japanese are built better than mosty domestic iron which I find kinda sad.

If you hate your 4Runner so much, I'd gladly fly out there and just take it home (with proper documentation) free of charge.

I'm not joking.

There will be a plenty of Toyota owners jumping ship, maybe not so much the owners that are members of Toyota forums.

Toyota has been slipping while others have been stepping up their game. Hopefully, Toyota will finally wake up that times have changed and stop being complacent.

and ARROGANT..

last yr They can't go down $500 for a highlander when I said nissan have $12k for a brand new xterra

I don't think that's really arrogance....it seems more like a simple matter of economics/salesmanship. If they aren't willing to drop the price beyond X dollars, then they must feel that someone else will be willing to buy the vehicle at that price. Then again, I do think there will be some fantastic deals on Toyotas due to all the negative publicity in the news lately. Now is probably one of the best times to buy a Toyota vehicle.

Excellent...

Having just rented a Jeep on St. John USVI and another rental in Hawaii... I can attest that Jeeps pretty much suck. I can't believe they've gone downhill that far.

The Wrangler is really all they got. I don't think the 2011 model looks remotely interesting... just another boring design.

Trail Rated... doesn't seem to mean Jack when you build crap.

PS... Red good,black bad..... that's classic!!!

I pretty much concur. Just for grins yesterday trundled on by the jeep dealership.....and i've even test drove a new rubi....utterly disappointed. The interior of the 2010 JGC's suck. They feel tiny, and if you put an adult in the back seat behind anyone tall...you have no room. Plus the cargo area is tiny. All in all, I was not impressed. Plus, the v6 models only come with a class I hitch....at least with a 4runner you get a class IV. I refuse to pay 42k for a limited JGC when for the same amount i got a limited T4R and I'm way happier. Bigger, roomier, more creature comforts, and it fits my needs perfectly.

No one here can say the upcoming 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee with any certainty since it is an ALL NEW vehicle that HASN'T BEEN RELEASED yet.

Yes, Jeeps have sucked in the past. So have Fords, Chevys, and Toyotas.

Jeep and Chrysler have stated that the upcoming Jeep will be a world class vehicle and is their statement and proof to the world that Jeep / Chrysler can product such a vehicle. Until it is released, reviewed, and tested, NONE of you can truthfully say whether it will be as good or as bad as expected.

If you can tell the future, you should buy a lottery ticket.

Haha...you are trying to compare a wrangler to an SUV? They aren't even in the same state, let alone ballpark. Totally different vehicles with different intentions. Any reasonable person should expect them to ride differently...

no i drove the new grands as well. Just for giggles drove a new rubi, as compared to the TJ's when they had the I6 still in them. v6 in jeeps suck. jeep took a major nose dive when they dropped the I6.
Reason for test driving the new rubi: was debating on what kind of trail rig to build next.

that being said i wasnt going to pay 42k for a JK Rubi either.

at this point in time...only grand i would consider would be an SRT 8 or the CRD's that were only out for a year or two.

For a pure crawler, the 4cyl is perfect! Just install the correct t-case and axle gearing and you are good to go.

Good lord, that is a ton of money. I paid $14K for my TJ....new. If you add up the cost of all of the vehicles I've purchased over my lifetime, it's still well below the cost of that JK Rubi...

yea....we couldnt figure out why it was 42k either......and none of the sales guys could tell us about the 7k "dealership add-on's"

hell even a base model JK was 20k.....but for what u get, i'd rather go that route, then buy the tire/wheel/gear/locker combo i want....i'm not generally an ARB fan....i dont like having to repair lines and seals and replace compressors every time i turn around.

the jeep 4cyl's i've seen tend to be a little on the underpowered side, unless u gear out the ass. tcase i'd prolly stick with a 231....unless i found a rubi tcase in a junkyard...242's have issues.

btw...sorry for the general twist in direction away from JGC's

X2, Its a 4Runner forum...