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Timing Chain to buy Dual or Single
I have to replace the timing chain and i am thinking about going to a dual chain setup. If it does last longer it might make sense to spend the extra money but it is only driven on the weekends.
Do you get more than 100,000 miles on the metal backed guides even on the single?
Double: Any advantages? Lasts longer between changes?
this is the kit. LCE Dual Row Timing Chain Conversion Kit
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05-19-2012, 11:59 AM
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Well, personally: the issue is the product. The OEM, from Toyota, chain will last a long time. I don't care how awesome some company in China makes there crappy product sound, it is only as good as the materials they put in it.
In short... if you are at all concerned or want to not worry; buy the Toyota chain. If it is a single, then it is a single... and rest happy knowing you bought the best chain you could get.
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05-19-2012, 12:06 PM
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Doesn't the Toyota chain come with plastic guides that people complain about?
Or buy the chain only from Toyota and the guides aftermarket?
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LCE Performance parts are made in China? Did not think they were.
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Yea. You can get metal guides. The chain was never the problem. Things like timing chains are important and for things like that, I trust OEM Toyota parts. I would trust a Toyota single chain over a 3rd party double chain.
I believe you can buy metal chain guides and that should solve the problem.
My china comment is one of those stock, isn't everything made in China these days? I don't actually know, but my argument that the single chain, stock, from Toyota is in my opinion a safer bet.
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05-19-2012, 02:09 PM
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+1 on the metal guide rails get the HD kit WELL WORTH IT.
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Yea. You can get metal guides. The chain was never the problem. Things like timing chains are important and for things like that, I trust OEM Toyota parts. I would trust a Toyota single chain over a 3rd party double chain.
I believe you can buy metal chain guides and that should solve the problem.
My china comment is one of those stock, isn't everything made in China these days? I don't actually know, but my argument that the single chain, stock, from Toyota is in my opinion a safer bet.
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I agree with the sentiment. If I don't know for sure that an aftermarket critical part like the timing chain is better than OE, I don't buy it.
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05-19-2012, 07:59 PM
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For metal timing guides I'd recommend "www.engnbldr.com" for them. I got the guides from them as well as a full front end kit (water pump, oil pump, guides, chain, sprockets, gaskets, timing cover). All for about $200 shipped. Price is great and the quality of the parts is great too. Will have it all installed in a couple weeks.
Normally I only buy OEM Toyota parts, but on a heck of a budget right now so couldn't afford ALL Toyota parts this time.
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Can i just replace the guides without taking the head off? just seems like a pita and the seal and cover look new from the outside. The water pump also looks new.
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I'll also recommend the ENGNBLDR kit. I put one on my truck about 2 years ago, and it's worked great.
As said, the chain isn't necessarily the weak point, it's the guides, so whatever you do, replace the passenger side guide with a steel guide. You do NOT need to remove the head to change the chain or guides, but you do need to take the timing cover off.
While you're in there, it's a good time to replace the water pump and oil pump, so again, the engnbldr kit gives you everything you need.
While I understand those calling for OEM parts on the chain, I would expect to get at least 100k out of even the non-OEM chain.
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+1 on the HD timing kit with metal guides. I swapped mine about a month ago and it is actually quieter compared to the stock plastic guides.
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Well after talking to LC Engineering i went with there dual chain kit.
It is made in Japan. I will take pics and let you know how it goes.
How long of a job is this? I was thinking about 6 hours tops.
Anything to look out for?
Kit Includes:
Custom Timing Cover
New Timing Chain Kit w/Metal Back Guides
Blueprinted Pro Oil Pump
New Performance Water Pump
Oil Pump Drive Spline
Bolt Kit
Gaskets & Front Seal
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Can i just replace the guides without taking the head off? just seems like a pita and the seal and cover look new from the outside. The water pump also looks new.
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You can replace the entire timing set (chain, gears, guides) without removing the head.
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If you have never done it before, I'd afford yourself some extra time. It took me all fricken day to do mine, but mostly because I ran into a lot of bull, like snapping a water pump bolt. I have started doubling the estimated job time for anything on these trucks because they always produce at least one surprise. One thing I didn't see on your list of parts was a new tensioner. If you are gonna take the time to do it, I'd really urge you to replace that too.
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