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Old 07-14-2012, 06:36 AM #1
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Final fix for intermittent no-crank on the 22re.

So I struggled for a while with intermittent starting issues on my 22re. Sometimes it would start right up, sometimes there would be a delay of several seconds between the solenoid click and the engine actually cranking, and sometimes I'd get nothing. A jumpstart would always work if it failed to start, and a piece of speaker wire between the solenoid and the battery would always work too.

I tried several things over the course of about a year to get it resolved - I checked and replaced the big three grounds, I redid the connections on the battery and the starter, I cracked the starter open and rebuilt the contacts, I even replaced the starter with an Autozone reman (which I returned when it didn't fix the problem). Each time I'd do something, the trouble would clear for a month or two and then return.

The last thing I did was install a new voltage wire from the battery to the starter and put an aftermarket relay on the new wire, operated by the crank wire that used to go straight to the starter. It's been a year since I did this and I haven't had a lick of trouble since, so I think I'm safe to declare victory and post this little walkthrough. Massive credit to 4crawler and his site for the trouble isolation procedures and the inspiration to use a "hotshot", and more credit to the guys on my local board who helped me figure out the wiring to build it myself instead of dropping bucks on a setup from Painless Wiring.

What you'll need to wire your setup like I did mine: a 30 amp relay (I used an automotive relay, have the counter guys at NAPA give you a starter relay from a '78 Bronco), some 8ga wire with fuel/oil resistant insulation and 3 8ga ring terminals, some 14ga wire with fuel/oil resistant insulation and spade terminals, dielectric grease, heat shrink, and the starter connector on a crank wire that I cut from a harness at the pick and pull.

It should go without saying, but disconnect your battery before playing with your wiring.

a) Mount the terminal on your fender, near the battery. Clean the fender well when you mount it, because it grounds through the fender (run an extra ground wire if you can't get a clean connection through the mounting bracket).

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b) Make a 14ga wire with a male spade connector on one side and a ring terminal on the other. Terminate the ring terminal on the relay, and plug the spade terminal into your factory crank wire connector (the black wire that leaves your harness under the intake plenum and used to terminate on the starter). This wire can be as short as you like, as long as the crank wire can reach it.

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c) Run an 8ga wire from the battery to the new relay. I didn't fuse mine, but you technically should.

d) Run another 8ga wire from the relay to the starter, and here is where you use the crank wire connector you scrounged at the junkyard - splice it to the end of the 8ga wire (I intentionally made this wire very very long, and wrapped the extra around the relay. If I ever need to bypass my ignition and/or this new starter relay, I can disconnect this extra long wire from the relay and terminate it directly on the positive battery terminal).

Poof, you're done. What'd you do? You bypassed the worn out wiring in your ignition (and in your factory starter relay, if you have one, early 22re's like mine don't) - now when you turn the key, you only need a very weak signal through the ignition to trigger the new starter relay, and the relay gives a nice fresh strong 12 volts to your starter. Even if you've got worn down contacts in an old starter, that clean 12v should be enough to fire you up every time without fail.

Some notes: first off, Painless Wiring makes a thing they call the Hot Shot, which is basically a prewired version of what I built from scratch. They run $40 and another $10 shipping, which seemed excessive to me. They make another more expensive one with a "bump start" switch so you can crank your engine from under the hood, which seems cool until you remember you can do the same thing by jumping your starter straight to the battery with a 20 cent piece of wire. But if you've got more money than time or want a nice clean packaged solution, those are both options for you.

Second, you don't need to source that extra starter connector if you don't want to. You can always cut the one you've got off the harness and wire your crank wire straight to the relay. The advantage of doing it my way is my factory harness is intact, and I can always bypass my extra relay wiring and go straight back to the factory setup without even getting any tools out. The advantage of not doing it my way is you save yourself a trip to the junkyard and several hours digging for a 22re harness that hasn't already been torn to shreds by previous customers.

Third, I rarely have any idea what I'm doing and I'm quite sure there are better ways to do this, so don't rely on this writup as any sort of authority. This is just the way I did it, and so as always if you know a better way or this gives you an idea for a cleaner solution, feel free to post up!

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It should go without saying, but disconnect your battery before playing with your wiring.
I've made a lot "should go without saying" bone headed moves in my time.

Great write-up BTW. Link logged in my reference files.
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Hey Kid, this is exactly what I did on my 350. The GM starters require so much power to crank, and the Yota's ignition doesn't have it, so I use the ignition switch lead only for closing the relay (a basic Ford solenoid like you're using), and get full juice from the battery upon closing. I did go bigger on the wire gauge, though--I wanted as little resistance as possible (I believe mine are 4's). Glad to hear you solved your mystery!
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Excellent write-up! I added this to the FSM and troubleshooting sticky.
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RAD4Runner's much better idea, and better write-up to boot.

RAD, is it possible that they started adding the relay in '87, or maybe halfway through the '86 production run? I searched high and low and couldn't find a relay anywhere on my truck.
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i just run 4 gauge straight to the starter from battery source on all my vehicles
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Nice! Now how about the issue where you turn the steering wheel and a a certain point the horn shorts out and honks? Usually right when you're in the middle of a turn and going from first to second gear and the person in front of you thinks you're a honking jerk in a rush?

Gotta love the Pre-90's rigs. lol
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Nice! Now how about the issue where you turn the steering wheel and a a certain point the horn shorts out and honks? Usually right when you're in the middle of a turn and going from first to second gear and the person in front of you thinks you're a honking jerk in a rush?

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Ask and ye shall recieve. It isn't exactly the same fix, but if you check out the pics they'll give you a good idea of what's causing your short and how to fix it.
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Tnx, and yes, Start Relay added in '86

Duplicate post. Pls see below.
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When Was Starter Relay Added?

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RAD, is it possible that they started adding the relay in '87, or maybe halfway through the '86 production run? I searched high and low and couldn't find a relay anywhere on my truck.
Thanks, KidV

My 1986 4Runner has a start relay. If yours is also an 86, possible that they added it in mid-production run in 86.
Guys with 85 4Runners/Trucks and earlier, please chime in:
  • Does your truck have a starter relay (pic below)?
  • Year & month your truck made?

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1986 with starter relay.
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Hey fellas I've had this same problem for about three years and been running around in circles with new batteries, new starters, etc... I have an '87 with the relay so should I just go buy a new relay to try and fix or should I try the DIY fix in the write up? Thanks!!!!
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Based on my experience and other guys threads, replacing that factory relay might fix it. I have yet to see anybody add another relay the way I did and have it fail to resolve the trouble.
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...problem for about three years and been running around in circles with new batteries, new starters, etc... I have an '87 with the relay so should I just go buy a new relay to try and fix or should I try the DIY fix in the write up? Thanks!!!!
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Based on my experience and other guys threads, replacing that factory relay might fix it. I have yet to see anybody add another relay the way I did and have it fail to resolve the trouble.
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Merely removing and replacing the relay may give you a relay with less resistance, disconnecting and reconnecting connectors may remove oxidation from contacts, and give you lower resistance from battery to starter solenoid coil, less voltage drop on the circuit, and more power to barely make solenoid work and "solve" your problem. however, that would be masking the problem. That is a shortcut. The flaw will still be there, waiting to cause problem again. Then you could be back to "running around in circles with new batteries, new starters, etc.."

Why not just fix it right, robustly and cleanly? Options:

Hotshot relay (search for it)
DIY - add a relay like KidV did because his did not have a starter relay, OR[*]Since you already have a starter relay, Rewire this way (does not require additional parts except for thicker wire and optional kill switch).[/LIST]
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