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Only one is a Classic!
I know I'm gonna get flamed for this but its just something Ive been wondering about since I joined... Why are 2nd Gens lumped in with 1st Gens? They're much closer to 3rd Gens than 1st Gens, looks-wise anyway. By sticking them in the Classics Section mods, ur deluding these poor guys into believing they own a "classic"  Are they not deserving of their own section..? I'd say put them in with the 3rd Gens but I don't wanna piss off those guys too  So my fellow classic 1st Gen owners, how do u feel about this?
P.S. Please take this in the altruistic manner in which it is presented. 
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11-12-2013, 02:46 PM
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You probably guessed it, its because IFS. 84-85 were the only years different...
86-95, both 1st and 2nd gens are nearly identical, sharing the same front suspension, engine choices, wheels, etc. The 2nd gen was pretty much a refined late IFS 1st gen, hence why 2nd gen brakes fit 1st gens as an upgrade, etc.
The 3rd gen may be similar looks wise, but underneath is completely different. Different frame design, updated components like steering, engine choices, etc. You can't really swap anything between 2nd/3rd gens.
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11-12-2013, 03:02 PM
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THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE
Or to be serious, what CoB said. The trucks are practically identical, and this is already the slowest gen subforum on the board. If we split the 1st and 2nd gen trucks into their own subforums, both subforums would die.
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11-12-2013, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ChildrenOfBodom
You probably guessed it, its because IFS. 84-85 were the only years different...
86-95, both 1st and 2nd gens are nearly identical, sharing the same front suspension, engine choices, wheels, etc. The 2nd gen was pretty much a refined late IFS 1st gen, hence why 2nd gen brakes fit 1st gens as an upgrade, etc.
The 3rd gen may be similar looks wise, but underneath is completely different. Different frame design, updated components like steering, engine choices, etc. You can't really swap anything between 2nd/3rd gens.
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Except for brakes (onto a 79-85 solid axle), center consoles (YAY cupholders!!!), engines (YAY bolt in engine swap), rear diffs (YAY e-locker) rear brakes (YAY no rust).
LOL i sound like a goofball. I agree, 1& 2 are very similar. While they are similar to a 3rd, they have nothing to do with a 4th or 5th.
I also think 3rd gen's deserve their own section, because they are likely the most popular 4r ever built... i still see them everywhere.
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11-12-2013, 03:03 PM
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By sticking them in the Classics Section mods, ur deluding these poor guys into believing they own a "classic" |
Word. But hey, the second gen needs love too.
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11-12-2013, 03:22 PM
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A classic?... to me my 95 is still a pretty new vehicle. 
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11-12-2013, 03:24 PM
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1st Gen only forum .. please?
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Originally Posted by KidVermicious
I just don't see the point. The exact same questions are asked over and over again of both trucks, and 99% of the answers apply to both trucks. Considering that the 1st/2nd gen forum is used primarily as a support forum and knowledge base, splitting it will definitely reduce the utility of the two "new forums", and for what purpose? What exactly are we trying to achieve with this?
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Originally Posted by Hyde802
I dont own an 2nd gen. All my knowledge of them comes from my 3rd gen pickup (same mechanically as a 1st and 2nd gen 4runner) Maybe that's why I don't see them as different. I see all 86-95 4runners AND PICKUPS as the same rigs..so to whine about a little body difference seems silly when they are all so similar.
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11-12-2013, 03:32 PM
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That thread was a wreck.
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11-12-2013, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by KidVermicious
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Word. But hey, the second gen needs love too.
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The 2nd gens need love for sure(they don't get much). But by lumping them in with the 1st gens it kinda diminishes the Classic designation. I understand why, thank u COB for ur most logical explanation, then just call it 1st & 2nd Gen section. 
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11-12-2013, 06:27 PM
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The second generation 4runner is a bastard-child. Loved by those who are stuck with it, or don't know better.
If 2nd gens had their own dedicated forum section, there would be six threads a week, and it would die a boring death.
But hey, so many mechanical aspects of both are identical that it's convenient for technical questions to get asked in the same place.
Maaaybe I'm a little biased to 1st-gens
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11-12-2013, 07:50 PM
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If 2nd gens had their own dedicated forum section, there would be six threads a week,
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5 of which would be about the Minnow, RobMill's rig or riff raff.
In all honesty, the first and 2nd gen are the same vehicle. Only real difference is the removable top on the 1st gen. 2nd gen owners can fix that problem with a sawzall.
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I want to convert my '85 to IFS.
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11-12-2013, 07:54 PM
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Only real difference is the removable top on the 1st gen. 2nd gen owners can fix that problem with a sawzall.
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Haha!
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11-12-2013, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Footofgod
5 of which would be about the Minnow, RobMill's rig or riff raff.
In all honesty, the first and 2nd gen are the same vehicle. Only real difference is the removable top on the 1st gen. 2nd gen owners can fix that problem with a sawzall.
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U three are proof that 2nd Gens are cool! 
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11-13-2013, 06:52 AM
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11-13-2013, 12:24 PM
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Charity behind at home so if we don't take them who will!
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True dat! I guess we're stuck with 'em...  
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