Home Menu

Site Navigation


User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 05-24-2016, 02:16 PM #1
danthemanx07 danthemanx07 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: New Bern, NC
Posts: 534
danthemanx07 is on a distinguished road
danthemanx07 danthemanx07 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: New Bern, NC
Posts: 534
danthemanx07 is on a distinguished road
Custom Leaf Spring Packs to Clear 33" Tires - 1985 4runner

I am looking for a simple/easy/cheap remedy to the nearly totally flat leaf springs on a new to me 1985 4runner. This is not going to be a wheeler, so I don't need a bunch of flex. What I do need is the 33x10.50s that the PO put on at stock height to not rub ASAP.

I was hoping someone more familiar with the factory springs would chime in an let me know before I do something stupid.

In an effort to try to replicate a previous leaf spring revival, I am thinking about pulling the spring packs apart and adding a donor leaf to each. My hope is to achieve something in the neighborhood of 3" of lift. I, and many others, have done this with rear Tacoma leafs with varying degrees of success. Using a single leaf, I was able to achieve about 3" of lift on the rear of my Tacoma recently. Ride quality improved, but I attributed this to the leafs being toast beforehand. I can't compare it to actual lift springs from other manufacturers.

My inspiration for this project comes from here:https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/...ishing.194386/

Here are my results:
Tacoma Spring refurbishing
Tacoma Spring refurbishing

So, my plan was this.

1. Starting with the front - pull the springs, making note not to switch sides.
2. Cut the leaf spring banding (if necessary) and remove the center pin.
3. Cut down my donor leaf as described in the link above.
4. Slide the donor leaf in between overload and bottom spring like I did in the link above.
5. Slap them back in and see what happens.

So anyone see any problems in my thought process here? I figure that if I don't like the results, I can move on to some aftermarket lift springs or take the leaf back out - no harm. Right?

Lastly, will I need to change anything else out? Shocks I assume, but anything other than that? Not familiar with lifting on a solid axle.

Thanks,
Daniel
__________________
2005 GX470
3.4l A340 Automatic to R150F Manual Transmission Swap
http://ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=159482

Last edited by danthemanx07; 05-24-2016 at 08:37 PM.
danthemanx07 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 05-24-2016, 02:51 PM #2
KidVermicious's Avatar
KidVermicious KidVermicious is offline
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Utard
Posts: 12,985
Real Name: Kevin
KidVermicious has a spectacular aura about KidVermicious has a spectacular aura about
KidVermicious KidVermicious is offline
Elite Member
KidVermicious's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Utard
Posts: 12,985
Real Name: Kevin
KidVermicious has a spectacular aura about KidVermicious has a spectacular aura about
Got any pics? The front leaves are supposed to be nearly flat. I've got 2.5" lift OME springs in front and they're practically flat too. Check to see exactly how low the front is riding by measuring from the center of the hub to the lip of the fender.

Does the truck have aftermarket wheels or wheel spacers on? That could be the cause of the rubbing too, it might not be a lift issue at all.

If you do end up lifting, be aware that the stock J arm steering is already a weak point and lifting makes it weaker. And lifting more than a couple inches means getting rid of the dogbone stabilizer, and then you have to switch to crossover steering or suffer terrible brake steer.
__________________
.
'My needle always settles between west and southwest. The future lies that way to me, and the earth seems more unexhausted and richer on that side.' - Thoreau, sort of.

The Grey Bastard, 1985 4Runner, driveway ornament.
Utah DesertRunners T4R, for all things wheeling and 4Runner in Utah.
KidVermicious is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 05-24-2016, 02:57 PM #3
RedSled's Avatar
RedSled RedSled is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 2,016
RedSled has a spectacular aura about RedSled has a spectacular aura about
RedSled RedSled is offline
Senior Member
RedSled's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 2,016
RedSled has a spectacular aura about RedSled has a spectacular aura about
Back in the day i used to get them re-arched, they will arch them to your spec. or help you decide how much.
__________________
2017 Silver SR5 Premium
Vietnam 67-68

Greed and corruption are rampant.
RedSled is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 05-24-2016, 03:22 PM #4
danthemanx07 danthemanx07 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: New Bern, NC
Posts: 534
danthemanx07 is on a distinguished road
danthemanx07 danthemanx07 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: New Bern, NC
Posts: 534
danthemanx07 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by KidVermicious View Post
Got any pics? The front leaves are supposed to be nearly flat. I've got 2.5" lift OME springs in front and they're practically flat too. Check to see exactly how low the front is riding by measuring from the center of the hub to the lip of the fender.

Does the truck have aftermarket wheels or wheel spacers on? That could be the cause of the rubbing too, it might not be a lift issue at all.

If you do end up lifting, be aware that the stock J arm steering is already a weak point and lifting makes it weaker. And lifting more than a couple inches means getting rid of the dogbone stabilizer, and then you have to switch to crossover steering or suffer terrible brake steer.

I'll get some pictures this afternoon. Regardless of the shape of the springs I imagine I will need some lift to clear the tires, right?

I think the wheels are stock. I am actually not sure. Will post a pick of those as well.

What does the J-arm connect? Will take a look at that.




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
__________________
2005 GX470
3.4l A340 Automatic to R150F Manual Transmission Swap
http://ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=159482
danthemanx07 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 05-24-2016, 04:01 PM #5
KidVermicious's Avatar
KidVermicious KidVermicious is offline
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Utard
Posts: 12,985
Real Name: Kevin
KidVermicious has a spectacular aura about KidVermicious has a spectacular aura about
KidVermicious KidVermicious is offline
Elite Member
KidVermicious's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Utard
Posts: 12,985
Real Name: Kevin
KidVermicious has a spectacular aura about KidVermicious has a spectacular aura about
The stock steering has a side swinging steering box, with a linkage that runs from the pitman arm to the "J arm" steering arm on the drivers side knuckle. The ball and socket connection on the J arm is the weak point, when you lift the truck too far it puts stress on that connection at a funny angle and it's prone to snap.

Skinny 33s at stock backspace will go on an IFS truck with sometimes a tiny bit of interference, but I found my '85 had too much flex to get away with that. I put on OME springs for roughly a 2.5" lift, and I still had to trim the fenders and cut/pound the body seam to keep from tearing up my 255/85r16 (which are just a hair bigger/wider than the 33x10.5s). If you didn't want to lift at all, you could trim the fender and tub the wheel well, or you could extend the bump stops.
__________________
.
'My needle always settles between west and southwest. The future lies that way to me, and the earth seems more unexhausted and richer on that side.' - Thoreau, sort of.

The Grey Bastard, 1985 4Runner, driveway ornament.
Utah DesertRunners T4R, for all things wheeling and 4Runner in Utah.
KidVermicious is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 05-24-2016, 04:47 PM #6
Bad_Vision's Avatar
Bad_Vision Bad_Vision is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Grand Rapids Michigan
Posts: 2,175
Bad_Vision is on a distinguished road
Bad_Vision Bad_Vision is offline
Senior Member
Bad_Vision's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Grand Rapids Michigan
Posts: 2,175
Bad_Vision is on a distinguished road
33 inch tires are not going to fit with stock ride height, they will rub. You have to do a lift or like kid said trim your fenders but the tires are still going to rub on the frame. So you either lift or you learn how to not turn so sharp and avoid hitting bumps. I would just put a lift on to save the headache.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
__________________
Classic's Section Moderator
http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/CheapTricks/index.shtml
My 1985 TDI swapped 4Runner http://www.toyota-4runner.org/classi...-tdi-swap.html
Bad_Vision is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 05-24-2016, 04:50 PM #7
Bad_Vision's Avatar
Bad_Vision Bad_Vision is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Grand Rapids Michigan
Posts: 2,175
Bad_Vision is on a distinguished road
Bad_Vision Bad_Vision is offline
Senior Member
Bad_Vision's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Grand Rapids Michigan
Posts: 2,175
Bad_Vision is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by danthemanx07 View Post
I am looking for a simple/easy/cheap remedy to the nearly totally flat leaf springs on a new to me 1985 4runner. This is not going to be a wheeler, so I don't need a bunch of flex. What I do need is the 33x10.50s that the PO put on at stock height to not rub ASAP.



I was hoping someone more familiar with the factory springs would chime in an let me know before I do something stupid.



In an effort to try to replicate a previous leaf spring revival, I am thinking about pulling the spring packs apart and adding a donor leaf to each. My hope is to achieve something in the neighborhood of 3" of lift. I, and many others, have done this with rear Tacoma leafs with varying degrees of success. Using a single leaf, I was able to achieve about 3" of lift on the rear of my Tacoma recently. Ride quality improved, but I attributed this to the leafs being toast beforehand. I can't compare it to actual lift springs from other manufacturers.



My inspiration for this project comes from here:https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/...ishing.194386/



Here are my results:

Tacoma Spring refurbishing

Tacoma Spring refurbishing



So, my plan was this.



1. Starting with the front - pull the springs, making note not to switch sides.

2. Cut the leaf spring banding (if necessary) and remove the center pin.

3. Cut down my donor leaf as described in the link above.

4. Slide the donor leaf in between overload and bottom spring like I did in the link above.

5. Slap them back in and see what happens.



So anyone see any problems in my thought process here? I figure that if I don't like the results, I can move on to some aftermarket lift springs or take the leaf back out - no harm. Right?



Lastly, will I need to change anything else out? Shocks I assume, but anything other than that? Not familiar with lifting on a solid axle.



Thanks,

Daniel


I see one major flaw. If you're using this vehicle as a daily driver untested front leaf spring modifications could result in a cataclysmic failure while driving. You could be hurt or killed or worse yet the 4runner would suffer damage


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
__________________
Classic's Section Moderator
http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/CheapTricks/index.shtml
My 1985 TDI swapped 4Runner http://www.toyota-4runner.org/classi...-tdi-swap.html
Bad_Vision is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 05-24-2016, 08:27 PM #8
danthemanx07 danthemanx07 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: New Bern, NC
Posts: 534
danthemanx07 is on a distinguished road
danthemanx07 danthemanx07 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: New Bern, NC
Posts: 534
danthemanx07 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bad_Vision View Post
33 inch tires are not going to fit with stock ride height, they will rub. You have to do a lift or like kid said trim your fenders but the tires are still going to rub on the frame. So you either lift or you learn how to not turn so sharp and avoid hitting bumps. I would just put a lift on to save the headache.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bad_Vision View Post
I see one major flaw. If you're using this vehicle as a daily driver untested front leaf spring modifications could result in a cataclysmic failure while driving. You could be hurt or killed or worse yet the 4runner would suffer damage


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Quote:
Originally Posted by KidVermicious View Post
Got any pics? The front leaves are supposed to be nearly flat. I've got 2.5" lift OME springs in front and they're practically flat too. Check to see exactly how low the front is riding by measuring from the center of the hub to the lip of the fender.

Does the truck have aftermarket wheels or wheel spacers on? That could be the cause of the rubbing too, it might not be a lift issue at all.

If you do end up lifting, be aware that the stock J arm steering is already a weak point and lifting makes it weaker. And lifting more than a couple inches means getting rid of the dogbone stabilizer, and then you have to switch to crossover steering or suffer terrible brake steer.
Ok - here are some pictures of the wheels and springs. The front springs actually look like they have a negative arch. The rear wheels have Toyota center caps. Not sure if that makes it for sure.





__________________
2005 GX470
3.4l A340 Automatic to R150F Manual Transmission Swap
http://ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=159482
danthemanx07 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 05-24-2016, 08:33 PM #9
danthemanx07 danthemanx07 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: New Bern, NC
Posts: 534
danthemanx07 is on a distinguished road
danthemanx07 danthemanx07 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: New Bern, NC
Posts: 534
danthemanx07 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bad_Vision View Post
I see one major flaw. If you're using this vehicle as a daily driver untested front leaf spring modifications could result in a cataclysmic failure while driving. You could be hurt or killed or worse yet the 4runner would suffer damage


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I see the concern. I guess I was enrouraged by some reading at 4crawler as well. He built his own front leaf packs. Toyota 4Runner Suspension Upgrade

Seems to be pretty common for folks on yotatech and pirate too. The leaves that I would be using are the leftovers out of the packs that I did my Tacoma with. I have 4 good leaves left out of those.
__________________
2005 GX470
3.4l A340 Automatic to R150F Manual Transmission Swap
http://ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=159482
danthemanx07 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 05-24-2016, 08:33 PM #10
Bad_Vision's Avatar
Bad_Vision Bad_Vision is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Grand Rapids Michigan
Posts: 2,175
Bad_Vision is on a distinguished road
Bad_Vision Bad_Vision is offline
Senior Member
Bad_Vision's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Grand Rapids Michigan
Posts: 2,175
Bad_Vision is on a distinguished road
Your lugs on the tire are going to rub. Lift it and be done. Springs are cheap


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
__________________
Classic's Section Moderator
http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/CheapTricks/index.shtml
My 1985 TDI swapped 4Runner http://www.toyota-4runner.org/classi...-tdi-swap.html
Bad_Vision is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 05-24-2016, 08:35 PM #11
danthemanx07 danthemanx07 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: New Bern, NC
Posts: 534
danthemanx07 is on a distinguished road
danthemanx07 danthemanx07 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: New Bern, NC
Posts: 534
danthemanx07 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bad_Vision View Post
Your lugs on the tire are going to rub. Lift it and be done. Springs are cheap


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Haha. Those things are ridiculous right? Again courtesy of the PO.

I guess I should change the title of my thread to something more refective of the feedback I was looking for - done. Yes - I would like to lift it.

I guess my real question was more related to the idea of building the new spring pack.
__________________
2005 GX470
3.4l A340 Automatic to R150F Manual Transmission Swap
http://ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=159482
danthemanx07 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 05-24-2016, 08:40 PM #12
Bad_Vision's Avatar
Bad_Vision Bad_Vision is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Grand Rapids Michigan
Posts: 2,175
Bad_Vision is on a distinguished road
Bad_Vision Bad_Vision is offline
Senior Member
Bad_Vision's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Grand Rapids Michigan
Posts: 2,175
Bad_Vision is on a distinguished road
In my opinion with all the trucks I have built the best option is to buy as a kit. New items with warranty and geometry proved and safe.
http://m.summitracing.com/parts/sja-t303pk


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
__________________
Classic's Section Moderator
http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/CheapTricks/index.shtml
My 1985 TDI swapped 4Runner http://www.toyota-4runner.org/classi...-tdi-swap.html
Bad_Vision is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 05-24-2016, 08:43 PM #13
danthemanx07 danthemanx07 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: New Bern, NC
Posts: 534
danthemanx07 is on a distinguished road
danthemanx07 danthemanx07 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: New Bern, NC
Posts: 534
danthemanx07 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bad_Vision View Post
In my opinion with all the trucks I have built the best option is to buy as a kit. New items with warranty and geometry proved and safe.
Skyjacker Suspension Lift Kits T303PK - Free Shipping on Orders Over $99 at Summit Racing


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Since this is not going to be a wheeler, I tend to agree. This is what I was looking at as far as a kit:

Amazon.com: Rough Country - 705.20 - 3-inch Suspension Lift Kit w/ Premium N2.0 Shocks: Automotive
__________________
2005 GX470
3.4l A340 Automatic to R150F Manual Transmission Swap
http://ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=159482
danthemanx07 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 05-24-2016, 08:48 PM #14
Bad_Vision's Avatar
Bad_Vision Bad_Vision is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Grand Rapids Michigan
Posts: 2,175
Bad_Vision is on a distinguished road
Bad_Vision Bad_Vision is offline
Senior Member
Bad_Vision's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Grand Rapids Michigan
Posts: 2,175
Bad_Vision is on a distinguished road
I snapped every leaf in a rough country lift on my 84 4Runner after 3 months of daily driving. Called and complained they told me to go suck eggs and buy another replacement leaf pack. I will never buy another. My skyjacker springs withstood a fall off a 40' cliff and not a single leaf cracked as it hit every boulder on the way down. Bent the axles but leafs are on the shelf till my TDI build is ready.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
__________________
Classic's Section Moderator
http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/CheapTricks/index.shtml
My 1985 TDI swapped 4Runner http://www.toyota-4runner.org/classi...-tdi-swap.html
Bad_Vision is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 05-24-2016, 08:49 PM #15
danthemanx07 danthemanx07 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: New Bern, NC
Posts: 534
danthemanx07 is on a distinguished road
danthemanx07 danthemanx07 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: New Bern, NC
Posts: 534
danthemanx07 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bad_Vision View Post
I snapped every leaf in a rough country lift on my 84 4Runner after 3 months of daily driving. Called and complained they told me to go suck eggs and buy another replacement leaf pack. I will never buy another. My skyjacker springs withstood a fall off a 40' cliff and not a single leaf cracked as it hit every boulder on the way down. Bent the axles but leafs are on the shelf till my TDI build is ready.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Well if that isnt an endorsement/warning I am not sure what is. Thanks for the info.
__________________
2005 GX470
3.4l A340 Automatic to R150F Manual Transmission Swap
http://ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=159482
danthemanx07 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
New owner - All stock - 1985 4Runner Toy_Boy Classic T4Rs 35 04-28-2014 11:54 PM
1985 4runner Project- 22re - Offroad vehicle or back to stock- oh the dilemma! haz888 Classic T4Rs 21 05-04-2013 07:56 AM
No more leafs GonOvr Classic T4Rs 17 03-26-2012 03:01 AM
what leafs am i looking for??? Thurlo76 Classic T4Rs 14 01-09-2011 01:43 AM
where to get cheepest lift leafs Iroke17 Classic T4Rs 3 08-04-2010 09:36 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:24 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
***This site is an unofficial Toyota site, and is not officially endorsed, supported, authorized by or affiliated with Toyota. All company, product, or service names references in this web site are used for identification purposes only and may be trademarks of their respective owners. The Toyota name, marks, designs and logos, as well as Toyota model names, are registered trademarks of Toyota Motor Corporation***Ad Management plugin by RedTyger
 
Copyright © 2020