User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 05-16-2023, 06:55 PM #1
oliverheyer oliverheyer is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Southern California
Posts: 22
oliverheyer is on a distinguished road
oliverheyer oliverheyer is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Southern California
Posts: 22
oliverheyer is on a distinguished road
1st Gen 4runner (22r) died at traffic light, wont start

Hello everyone, Im looking for some help diagnosing an issue with my 1984 4runner with a 22r. I was driving today for about 10 minutes and it was running perfectly fine, then, while stopped at a stop light, my engine died while in neutral. I tried a few times to start it to no avail. I then had someone help me push it to the side of the road, and still couldnt get it started.

The engine cranks just fine, lights and radio still work, so its not an electrical issue. It seems to me like the 22r isnt getting any fuel, but thats just my initial assumption. If someone has any ideas on what would cause it to abruptly die at idle, and then not start, any help would be greatly appreciated!
oliverheyer is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 05-17-2023, 01:00 PM #2
Reinout's Avatar
Reinout Reinout is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Lakebay, WA
Posts: 511
Real Name: Reinout
Reinout will become famous soon enough Reinout will become famous soon enough
Reinout Reinout is offline
Member
Reinout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Lakebay, WA
Posts: 511
Real Name: Reinout
Reinout will become famous soon enough Reinout will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by oliverheyer View Post
Hello everyone, Im looking for some help diagnosing an issue with my 1984 4runner with a 22r. I was driving today for about 10 minutes and it was running perfectly fine, then, while stopped at a stop light, my engine died while in neutral. I tried a few times to start it to no avail. I then had someone help me push it to the side of the road, and still couldnt get it started.

The engine cranks just fine, lights and radio still work, so its not an electrical issue. It seems to me like the 22r isnt getting any fuel, but thats just my initial assumption. If someone has any ideas on what would cause it to abruptly die at idle, and then not start, any help would be greatly appreciated!
My initial thought is the fuel pump relay.
__________________
1997 4Runner SR5- ~376k Miles and counting - 5 Speed E-Locker
2007 4Runner Limited V6- 165k Miles - Automatic - Brake Controller
2011 VW JSW TDI- 130k Miles - 6 Speed - Air Lift 1000
2006 Scamp trailer 16'
Reinout is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 05-17-2023, 05:38 PM #3
Ph03n1x24's Avatar
Ph03n1x24 Ph03n1x24 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2022
Location: Spring, Texas
Age: 57
Posts: 91
Real Name: Mark
Ph03n1x24 is on a distinguished road
Ph03n1x24 Ph03n1x24 is offline
Member
Ph03n1x24's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2022
Location: Spring, Texas
Age: 57
Posts: 91
Real Name: Mark
Ph03n1x24 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by oliverheyer View Post
Hello everyone, Im looking for some help diagnosing an issue with my 1984 4runner with a 22r. I was driving today for about 10 minutes and it was running perfectly fine, then, while stopped at a stop light, my engine died while in neutral. I tried a few times to start it to no avail. I then had someone help me push it to the side of the road, and still couldnt get it started.

The engine cranks just fine, lights and radio still work, so its not an electrical issue. It seems to me like the 22r isnt getting any fuel, but thats just my initial assumption. If someone has any ideas on what would cause it to abruptly die at idle, and then not start, any help would be greatly appreciated!
It's likely fuel pump related or a clogged pilot jet,etc... It's possible it's a fuel pump relay failure (as someone above pointed out) or could be the MAF sensor went south on you.

I've seen my fair share of troubleshooting fuel issues with 80s vehicles i've owned over the years when 'rolling pennies for gas' broke and couldn't afford to take to a mechanic. Ever try keeping a 1982 Camaro 2.8 V6 MFI 3rd Generation on the road?

Good luck!
__________________
2005 Toyota 4Runner Sport Edition 4.0L 6cyl 5A | 5th Gen TRD wheels w Dunlop 265/70R17 113 S Tires | CKAuto 2" Hub Centric Wheel Spacers | 3" Lift + 1" leveling kit | Pro FOX Coilover Shock Suspension Kit | Deleted Hydraulics | Retrofit LED / USB 3.0 | PC38 Pedal Commander | Alpine iLX-w650 w KTA450 | Kicker KS Series 6"x9" 3-way - CS Series 3/4" dome tweeters - KS Series 6-1/2" 2-way | Hifonics BXX1200.1D 1200W RMS 1 Ohm amp | Dual JL 10w6v2's |Q box 50hz
2011 Toyota 4Runner SR5 - Soundproofing | HU & Speaker Upgrades
Ph03n1x24 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 05-22-2023, 01:48 PM #4
zidaro's Avatar
zidaro zidaro is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: mammoth lakes, CA
Posts: 628
zidaro is on a distinguished road
zidaro zidaro is offline
Member
zidaro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: mammoth lakes, CA
Posts: 628
zidaro is on a distinguished road
so is this problem solved? no update?

air, fuel, spark.

make certain your fuel system is venting, pull gas cap. Check all your fuel lines, see you have pressure. coil wire, distributor. got spark?
id be looking at fuel filter first, cuz its cheapest. clogged fuel line or jett will do it. then fuel pump/reg. Is it pumping, can you hear it?
__________________
Couple Yotas
Iluv4xToys!
zidaro is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 05-22-2023, 08:44 PM #5
fourwd1's Avatar
fourwd1 fourwd1 is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: the Socialist State of Maryland
Posts: 11,432
Real Name: The Chosen One
fourwd1 is just really nice fourwd1 is just really nice fourwd1 is just really nice fourwd1 is just really nice
fourwd1 fourwd1 is offline
Moderator
fourwd1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: the Socialist State of Maryland
Posts: 11,432
Real Name: The Chosen One
fourwd1 is just really nice fourwd1 is just really nice fourwd1 is just really nice fourwd1 is just really nice
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reinout View Post
My initial thought is the fuel pump relay.
It's a 22R, so has a mechanical fuel pump.

Pull the air cleaner cover and try to start (be sure to pump the gas a lot) and see if you can smell gas being pumped into the carb throat.

Actually, you should be able to see a stream of gas shoot in when you manually work the the throttle linkage.
__________________
- the Internet - the mother-ship of people who don't know much and aren't afraid to go public
'84 4Runner - ARBed 5.29s F&R, 4.7 & 2.28 t-cases, 2" drive train lift, BudBuilt x-member/skid, 30 spl Longs
'83 Toy P/U - Buick 231 V6, Holley 4 bbl, Weiand intake, Downey headers, TH350 w/700R4 low gearset,
'89 4Runner SR5 - stock
fourwd1 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 05-23-2023, 01:23 AM #6
3ToyGuy 3ToyGuy is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2023
Location: Chiloquin
Posts: 50
Real Name: Patrick
3ToyGuy is on a distinguished road
3ToyGuy 3ToyGuy is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2023
Location: Chiloquin
Posts: 50
Real Name: Patrick
3ToyGuy is on a distinguished road
I agree. Easy enough to check, pull the air cleaner and see if there's any fuel in the sight glass. Even if it's just low, most likely it's the fuel pump, unless you've never changed the fuel filter....
3ToyGuy is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 05-23-2023, 08:30 PM #7
Reinout's Avatar
Reinout Reinout is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Lakebay, WA
Posts: 511
Real Name: Reinout
Reinout will become famous soon enough Reinout will become famous soon enough
Reinout Reinout is offline
Member
Reinout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Lakebay, WA
Posts: 511
Real Name: Reinout
Reinout will become famous soon enough Reinout will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by fourwd1 View Post
It's a 22R, so has a mechanical fuel pump.

Pull the air cleaner cover and try to start (be sure to pump the gas a lot) and see if you can smell gas being pumped into the carb throat.

Actually, you should be able to see a stream of gas shoot in when you manually work the the throttle linkage.
Thank you for the correction and education!
__________________
1997 4Runner SR5- ~376k Miles and counting - 5 Speed E-Locker
2007 4Runner Limited V6- 165k Miles - Automatic - Brake Controller
2011 VW JSW TDI- 130k Miles - 6 Speed - Air Lift 1000
2006 Scamp trailer 16'
Reinout is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-04-2023, 05:37 PM #8
oliverheyer oliverheyer is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Southern California
Posts: 22
oliverheyer is on a distinguished road
oliverheyer oliverheyer is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Southern California
Posts: 22
oliverheyer is on a distinguished road
Hey sorry everyone, ended up having to leave home where my car is for a bit and then got caught up in finals so didnt spend any time working on it but now its time to figure it out.

So I was able to get it started again, it was idling very poorly (almost sounded like it had a lope tune), and then it would fully die as the engine stars to get warm. I think thats why when it first happened and I was stranded in a parking lot, after coming back to the car 3 hours later I was able to get it started.

I am planning on looking at fuel filter, fuel pump relay, distributer cap, and MAF. Before I start looking this afternoon, does the fact that it starts when cold, idles rough for a few minutes, and then dies (and wont start again for a while, until engine cools down I presume) rule out any of those options?
oliverheyer is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-04-2023, 05:39 PM #9
oliverheyer oliverheyer is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Southern California
Posts: 22
oliverheyer is on a distinguished road
oliverheyer oliverheyer is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Southern California
Posts: 22
oliverheyer is on a distinguished road
Forgot to add, there is a strong smell of gas when it does die than lingers around the car for a bit, so does that rule out faulty fuel pump? Its a very strong smell of gas that you would notice just walking by the car. Maybe the carb gets flooded and thats why it idles rough and eventually shuts off after a few mins and then wont start?
oliverheyer is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-05-2023, 05:28 PM #10
oliverheyer oliverheyer is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Southern California
Posts: 22
oliverheyer is on a distinguished road
oliverheyer oliverheyer is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Southern California
Posts: 22
oliverheyer is on a distinguished road
After starting the car yesterday, I noticed a large amount of fuel leaking out of the fuel pump (in front of gas tank on driver side of car). It was continuously filling the fuel pump and leaking fuel resulting in a looot of fuel on the ground. I opened the gas tank to relieve pressure and it stopped. I have had laking there before from the fuel hose corroding and splitting, so I cut off the split section and reattached the hose to fuel filter. I will replace fuel filter tomorrow. If the hose is splitting on the fuel filter connection again, is there any harm in just cutting off the split section and reattaching hose (I have about 7 inches of slack in the hose to work with so should be able to do that a few more times), or should I just replace the hose. If I should replace the whole hose, is it a 5/16 hose?

Last edited by oliverheyer; 06-05-2023 at 06:56 PM.
oliverheyer is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-05-2023, 07:43 PM #11
3ToyGuy 3ToyGuy is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2023
Location: Chiloquin
Posts: 50
Real Name: Patrick
3ToyGuy is on a distinguished road
3ToyGuy 3ToyGuy is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2023
Location: Chiloquin
Posts: 50
Real Name: Patrick
3ToyGuy is on a distinguished road
Quite often, the hardlines exiting from the top of the tank crack or break. Since the tank pressurizes with the fuel return from the carb, if the truck runs for a few minutes, ie: warms up, there can be fuel coming from a crack in one of the hardlines. Also, the fuel lines connecting to the hardlines can get old and brittle, and again, as the tank pressurizes, fuel comes from the fuel lines. Also, as they get old, they can push off the hardlines, especially if someone pulled them off, and didn't put the hose clamps back on, or put them back on incorrectly.

Good Luck, and keep us updated.
Pat☺
3ToyGuy is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 07-17-2023, 10:04 PM #12
giro's Avatar
giro giro is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Lake Tahoe, NV
Posts: 288
giro is on a distinguished road
giro giro is offline
Member
giro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Lake Tahoe, NV
Posts: 288
giro is on a distinguished road
I learned with a 92 3000gt that problems once warmed up often have to do with the sensors and their readings. In that car, part of the air handling past the MAF had popped off when I downshifted getting off the freeway. When cold, it ran ok. Once warmed up, in that case about 7 minutes, it started running rough and blowing smoke. I tested and replaced a bunch of things, but in the end it was just one of the connections on the air handling on this twin turbo engine.

And a trick to be in limp-home mode is to disconnect the MAF. With that unplugged, the computer will stop looking at the sensors. It might be non-ideal or lower powered, but could help.

That may or may not help you, with an older 4runner. But it has a MAF, so it must be doing something with some of the sensor data, and it seems to happen only in that warmed up state. I believe once you hit the problem, you could unplug the MAF and see if it changes, and that would tell you if it's sensor related or something like the fuel coming up to pressure. You could probably unplug it while it's running, but if you are able to restart it I'd personally turn it off and then unplug. But on that 3000gt, even the pulling spark plug wires while it was running worried me.

Good luck.
__________________
92 4runner SR5 Garnet Pearl (3K3), 5spd 4x4 V6 185k
22 Sienna AWD 9k
06 Sienna AWD 185k
98 4runner SR5 4x4 V6 auto 136k locking rear diff -- SOLD (and heard it's been totaled)
giro is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Reply

Tags
22r , engine , fine , issue , start

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Battery Light started blinking then the car died and now car won't start! robaroni 4th Gen T4Rs 7 04-05-2017 10:25 PM
Need some help - Electrical....wont start and died in action geenowalker 4th Gen T4Rs 6 07-09-2012 01:02 PM
2000 4runner wont start without clutch start cancle jmcgahran 3rd gen T4Rs 3 08-29-2011 12:27 PM
Engine died on the freeway and wont start. Topher88 Classic T4Rs 9 01-15-2011 11:23 AM
90runner died and wont start OsaFsb Classic T4Rs 126 01-07-2011 10:57 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:24 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
***This site is an unofficial Toyota site, and is not officially endorsed, supported, authorized by or affiliated with Toyota. All company, product, or service names references in this web site are used for identification purposes only and may be trademarks of their respective owners. The Toyota name, marks, designs and logos, as well as Toyota model names, are registered trademarks of Toyota Motor Corporation***Ad Management plugin by RedTyger
 
Copyright © 2020