Hi,
Still browsing for tires as at some point this year I need new shoes. But I have 265/70-17 BFG ATs in C range and it seems they do not make them anymore. Nearly every option in this size seems either P or E. P rated threads talk about not being good for airing down and wheeling, E rated threads can go either way guys say they are fine others say they are stiff as boards. Plus they are heavier.

If I switch to 16" rim (I do like those black FJ trail special rims), it does not seem options are much better in 265/75-16.

I used to love aggressive mud tires mainly because I was an east coast mud guy, as well young and they looked cool. They still look cool, but my experience with mud tires is them being worse in rain, snow, wearing out in half the time of an AT, worse mpg, and a sound that was once cool to me hearing knobbies on the road is now annoying hah. I like a more quiet AT.

Kelly Safari makes a TSR and Cooper S/T both are C range but not very popular it seems and not available at many stores. And they do seem to border on being more a mud tread, and the TSR is super heavy.

I know there are threads on this....so I hope I do not get flamed....just wondering why there seem to be so little tire options in the C or D range in the 32" size. Maybe I will just need to try the Kelly or Safari.

Would love to hear opinions...I do mainly highway driving, but do want to trail the 4runner more and since I am in Cali there will be rocks and airing down.

Thanks

I'm an E tire guy and love them - Really think it would be wise for you try a set for yourself before you write them off. I don't find them excessively stiff at all.

Having said that, have you looked at the Cooper A/T3's ? It's a less aggressive, quiet ridding AT with great on and off road performance (except deep mud). They are available in C Range in both 265/75r16 and 265/70r17. Several members are here are running this tire and have a lot of good things to say about it.

David

May be a more aggressive tread than u want, but the Goodyear Duratrac also has a great reputation and is available in load range C in those sizes.

David

This 46lb Load E tire might fit your purpose. It replaced BFG AT Load C and I'm very happy with it. (The author is friggin wordy. Might work better to read it backwards)

Ongoing Review of Revo 2 LT Load E

Thanks guys! I will check out the Revo for sure, had them on a Jeep WJ of mine before. I never off roaded it but they were fine on the street and that write up of them seems ok, and that is as light as a C range tire.

Cooper AT3 seem very mild, almost highway looking tire. There is a Cooper ATP Discount Tire sells that seems more aggressive but its only E range.

Dura Tracs do seem like a great AT tread and look cool too for what that is worth, but on the Jeep forums guys split the sidewalls on them frequently. Numerous threads on those tires not holding up against rocks. So that scares me away from those tires is too many bad stories and a high price tag.

Well now it seems I will be looking at Kelly Safari TSR, Cooper S/T, and the Revo E range.

Didn't know we were called such a thing. Maybe a southern mud guy. haha

Can you not get BFG AT's in load range D anymore? I still have a set and they have been great, rode smooth for years. They are ready to be retired now though.

I grew up in Ohio and Western PA, and all the wheeling we did was black muck or deep rutted woods driving. I had a K5 Blazer with 4 speed granny low, and lots of rocking and high wheel speed diving into big mud holes, stream crossings, etc. Was so much fun...BUT my gosh we broke things all the time, u-joints and brakes wore out fast. frames and floorboards rotted quicker than the drivetrain was lasting, etc. So if I ever do move back east, I will keep my Jeep TJ and 4runner for hunting and trails, and buy me a $4k old full size American truck, chop the fenders and throw on some mudders and just beat on it. Mud and woods with mud is fun and I love it, just destroys vehicles at least up north where they also see snow and salt.

On BFG website the C and D range are gone, you can get 285s in D range but I think they list over $300k. If it came down to $300k per tire or $190 per tire for Revo or Kelly Safari TSR I would have to to with the under $200 tires.

Too bad the Rugged Terrain is only P or E, I would not mind trying that. I have been an MT guy or aggressive AT guy, but this time around am seeing if I can be "more mature" haha and get a tire that might ride better on the road and get better mpg and longer wear, especially since I never go off roading as much as I daydream I will. And my Jeep is set up with lockers, winch, armor, so if I was going to do harder trails I have it. The 4runner is such a nice vehicle I would love to road trip and explore more, and if tires like the Revo can manage the road better and still do mild trails, I want to consider them. I am hoping to get a skid and sliders so I can try some mild trails but no mud out here so mild ATs could still do the trick.

My gosh JB, they were right you took your tire shopping serious. That other thread is pretty darn thorough. Wish I had that kind of motivation for tire shopping.

15" rims seem like the best bet for tire availability, but 15" rims are for the old 4x4s anymore so we are forced to have limited tires in C or D range.

If you know of anymore E range tires that are light please enlighten me. The Kelly Safari TSR 265/70-17 are I think 54lbs even in C range, so they are heavy. Cooper S/T are 47 lbs.

Only thing perhaps with the Revo as you show those pictures is them picking up rocks....I doubt I would be as patient as you to be cleaning out my tires all the time after wheeling! Have you done any rock climbing in them?

To the extent it can be done in a 4th gen with stock suspension, yes, plenty.

I don't think the rock retention is as bad as it may appear from my documentation of it. I'd guess that most ATs would produce more pebbles than expected under the same scrutiny. I remember seeing a used set of Duratracs that had quite a few pebbles in the treads.

But even with getting back at highway speeds it does not throw them out?

Seems like you wheel on a regular basis, more than I ever will unless I find some more time. Which could happen soon.

To be honest I probably never would be wheeling hard enough to need more than the Revo unless I move away from LA sometime and get to hit more mud.

I was loving the looks and reviews of the Kelly TSR, but 54 pounds sounds heavy....maybe I am back to considering the Cooper S/T because it is light but aggressive, and the Revo in E. Too bad the Cooper ATP did not come in C or D, I cannot fight the weight of it anywhere, but it looks nice. Sad to admit although I am finally over the mud tire desires, I still want something that looks somewhat "cool" and aggressive hah. But I know the Revo's were super quiet on my Jeep WJ. Imagine I would like the ride and mpg compared to the BFG ATs I have now. They are C range, plenty of tread, but have dry rotting. So if I do get my new clutch, sliders and skids I do not want to wheel with dry rotted tires.

Not in any way that draws my attention.

Canazes9 what tires are you running?

I never thought to check the weight of the E range tires....since the General Grabber AT2 is cheap at $170 (only $157 in 265/75-16 if I did change rims), I looked it up in 265/70-17 E and its 48.5 pounds....

Hmmm....so maybe more of these E range tires are comparable in weight to the old C BFG tires...

JB you may have opened my eyes to consider more options, and Bridgestone should give you a darn free set of tires for all the guys you probably influenced to get a set!

I'm running Mickey Thompson MTZ's on my wife's 4runner and my Tacoma. E rated, heavily siped MT tire. Prob the quietest MT tire I've ever run. Fantastic traction on the trail and on the street.

Not pushing 'me, I know they're not what you're looking for....





Did pretty darn good here also!




David

No I love those things....the kid in me loves them every time I see them....a Jeep buddy of mine has 35s on his TJ and he drove it from Cali to PA and claims they are quiet (but he is nearly 20 years younger than me so maybe has not gotten to point where I am with liking more quiet tires).

Those look fantastic. They are a bit expensive and heavier, but if I knew I had no cash problems and was going to have anotehr street vehicle I would pounce on them.

I have a TJ Rubican and this 4runner. No room for more parking. If I leave LA eventually and get a driveway and more parking, most likely I will buy a new or newer pickup for commuting and Church on Sundays. Then I will throw mud tires on the 4runner.

Good to know you feel the E rated tire and one that is heavier with an MT tread are not that bad.

I have been dead set on C range for months as I have been pondering this, but just posting this thread, reading JB thread and being open to more feedback has me thinking I may end up with E range. I might even try to go cheap like those Generals and see how they do. I tend to like getting more name brand expensive parts for my Jeep, but is it always really worth it I do not know. Maybe some $150 E ATs from General will do what I need or Revos.