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Old 05-24-2004, 08:33 AM #46
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Thank you very much Thai!

You have been very helpful to a newbie!!

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3. Once you lock the center diff, your VSC is turned OFF. The reason you still see lights flashing and weird noises is because 4-WHEEL TRACTION CONTROL (ATRAC) is still operating, braking the wheel(s) that are slipping.

The faster your rev your engine, the less traction control intervenes. For example, if you're gunning up a muddy hill, then you need to be more aggressive with the gas pedal. I think that ATRAC cuts down it's braking above 2500-3500 rpms. So, you can power up the muddy hill, with all wheels spinning. ATRAC is mostly for lower speeds.
"Revs of 2500-3500 ..." that seems to explain why there are times this rig seems to have the VSC/TRAC disabled and other times it's a pain in the a**. I have to experiment with this concept and stomp on the pedal rather than assume the rig will automatically rectify things.

Has anyone managed to install an override switch to disable the features? Is that even possible? Revs of 2500-3500 or higher on an icy snow-covered narrow trail and then suddenly hitting a non-slipper patch could lead to being tossed off the trail by sending the rig sideways into a worse condition.
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Interesting effect of ATRAC

I did some experimenting on very slick surfaces in 2WD and 4WD a while back and discovered one possible reason why the Toyota system is so conservative about wheelspin.

I was going up a small rise in 2WD to see how much good the traction control could do without switching to 4WD. The hill was too much for 2WD (no surprise) and I eventually ground to a halt. The brakes and de-throttling were preventing any significant wheelspin.

The hill had a sideways tilt to it, though, and I discovered that one big benefit to the Toyota system's severe limits on wheelspin was that I didn't slide sideways virtually at all. I can see the logic here. In many ordinary slick situations where you aren't going to make it up the hill anyway, it's better not to get the wheels spinning and slide sideways into a curb or parked car or pole or tree, etc.

I still gripe sometimes about how conservative the Toyota system is, but I respect their approach. I just wish they gave an extra button or two to control it. I'm sure that they hesitate to do that because they think too many folks would get confused and blame them.
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Just downloaded a 2005 Pocket Reference Guide from http://www.toyota.com/html/owners/.

There seems to be an Active Traction Control (ATRAC for 4WD as opposed to TRAC for 2WD) button on the '05 model. Anyone know about this yet? It appears to be a button that will do what we're searching for on the 4th gens.
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does this mean that lets say that i'm driving 10 mph..but i want to go to 4wd hi..can i just switch it as long as i dont exceed over 55-60 mph?
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yes. and you are surprised?

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does this mean that lets say that i'm driving 10 mph..but i want to go to 4wd hi..can i just switch it as long as i dont exceed over 55-60 mph?
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WOW Thai! This forum is great! Its very useful! I have a question though, does all of the information apply to the 2000 Limited 4wd.I noticed the cut off was at 2001. And I remember seeing a picture of another 4runner's transfer case, and theirs shifted in a straight line up and down, whereas mine goes in a U-shape. does this make a difference in ease of shifting? Thanks for taking your time and contributing to this forum.
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WOW Thai! This forum is great! Its very useful! I have a question though, does all of the information apply to the 2000 Limited 4wd.I noticed the cut off was at 2001. And I remember seeing a picture of another 4runner's transfer case, and theirs shifted in a straight line up and down, whereas mine goes in a U-shape. does this make a difference in ease of shifting? Thanks for taking your time and contributing to this forum.
Your 2000 4runner does NOT have VSC nor ATRAC. Your 4wd system is basic...you can lock the center diff. If your 4runner comes with the rear locker, then you can lock that too.
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Just downloaded a 2005 Pocket Reference Guide from http://www.toyota.com/html/owners/.

There seems to be an Active Traction Control (ATRAC for 4WD as opposed to TRAC for 2WD) button on the '05 model. Anyone know about this yet? It appears to be a button that will do what we're searching for on the 4th gens.
The TRAC OFF button is only on 2wd models.
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Any way to turn ATRAC off in 2wd for some burnouts/spraying mud on someones car.
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I can't figure out why the owner's manual doesn't cover all this in detail. If I can damage the vehicle through some of the 4WD usage, wouldn't that be more important than learning about how to use the audio system?

I don't have the hard-copy of a manual yet, as I pick up my car this week, but the pdf version I was reading online has nothing about using 4WD in all the 250 pages of it. Was I looking at a 2WD manual?

I'm getting a 2001 SR5.
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I can't figure out why the owner's manual doesn't cover all this in detail. If I can damage the vehicle through some of the 4WD usage, wouldn't that be more important than learning about how to use the audio system?

I don't have the hard-copy of a manual yet, as I pick up my car this week, but the pdf version I was reading online has nothing about using 4WD in all the 250 pages of it. Was I looking at a 2WD manual?

I'm getting a 2001 SR5.
Who knows why they include some stuff and leave important stuff out... Glad you're reading this Congrats on the new-to-you '01.

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Hey all,

I have been asked by many people on other forums to explain the 4wd system of the '01-'02 4Runners 4x4 (also similar on '03 4Runner V6 models...see below). I just bought a '02 Limited 4x4, so i did some research and off-road testing on my new 4Runner.

Here is my take on it: (please correct any of it)

The 4Runner uses a 4-wheel-ABS-based traction control, called ActiveTrac (ATRAC for short). ATRAC is ALWAYS on, even in 2WD mode where it works on the rear axle.

Here are the different features of the 4Runner's 4wd system: (VSC is vehicle stability control)

(Note: read below for more info on HOW to engage the different modes)

1. 2WD mode: Rear wheel drive; switch to 4WD up to 62 mph.

2. 4WD HI: 4WD on any surface (full-time!), however, VSC is STILL active...thus, if you get stuck bad or climb a hill & slip, engine power will be cut because of VSC's inherent functions.

3. 4WD LO: 4WD with torque multiplication (2.57 times)...again, VSC is active. (read below on how to go to 4-LO)

4. 4WD HI with center diff LOCK: same as #2 but VSC is OFF, thus allowing you to spin your tires to get out.

5. 4WD LO with center diff LOCK: same as #3, but with VSC off.

To go from 2WD to 4WD HI, you push the 4WD button on the side of the transfer case lever, up to speeds of 62 mph. After pushing it, you are in 4HI and can go up to top speed on dry land with no damage.

To go from 4HI to 4LO, you need to stop the 4Runner...shift to NEUTRAL, then switch/push the transfer case lever to 4LO. Then, you put the transmission back into DRIVE.

To LOCK the center differential (thus, TRUE 50/50 power split between front and rear axle), you need to push the button to the left of the steering wheel on dash. This should be done only on loose terrain (because of 50/50 split) to prevent binding of the center differential. Again, this will disable the VSC, allowing you to power through mud (which you cannot do effectively if VSC is ON).

In reality, the MAIN reason most people LOCK the center diff in the 4Runner is to turn OFF VSC. Very few off-roaders (esp. beginners) will ever see the need of the true 50/50% split. An example is if BOTH your front (or rear) wheels or 3 wheels are in mud (no traction)...in which case, locking the center diff is a good thing because it allows 50% of power to be routed to the AXLE that still has the wheel(s) with traction. Without the center diff LOCK, 100% power will be routed to the axle that has both wheels slipping (thus, you are stuck). However, this is rarely encountered in off-roading.

SUMMARY:
1. 4runner ('01-up) has 4-channel ABS system
2. It has VSC (stability control) and ATRAC (4-wheel traction control)
3. No rear locker
4. You can switch into 4wd (4-HI) at any speed up to 62 mph
5. You can drive in 4wd all day long at any speed
6. You can switch from 4wd to 2wd at any speed
7. But you do NOT want to lock the center diff on dry pavement...this is ONLY done off-road or on slippery ground.
8. Locking the center diff shuts off VSC (stability control), which is a good thing in off-roading. VSC tends to kill momentum when you're slipping & sliding and this is not desired in off-roading (under most circumstances)
9. ATRAC is always ON. In 2wd mode, it works on your rear axle. In 4wd mode, it works on front and rear axles
10. So, you have several modes: 2wd...4-HI...4-HI center diff LOCK...4-LO...4-LO center diff LOCK.

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For 2003 and up, V6 & V8 4Runners have a Torsen center diff (Torsen T-3 design) that is lockable (true 50/50 split). V8 model has full-time system (no 2wd mode). V6 model has an additional option of 2WD. It is basically a full-time system that varies torque transfer to the front and rear axle according to amount of slippage. Prior to 2003, the torque split was 50/50% most of the time (center diff unlock). I believe the Torsen provides more stable handling (due to torque variations) in slippery conditions. The above description applies for 2003 4Runners with V6 4wd system.

The 2003-up V8 models have a full-time 4wd system similar to Toyota Land Cruiser, Lexus LX470, and GX470. With this system, the 4runner is ALWAYS in 4wd Hi mode (center diff can be locked or unlocked). There is also a 4-LO range.

Hope this helps.
I'm new here and to 4Runner and I found this very helpful! thanks!
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