I think we're going to see an all new model for 2020 or 21. Test mule new tundras are already running around. And it looks like they have moved to the new BOF shared architecture... probably with link and coil rear like the LC200.

What I find very interesting is that they're 6 lug not 5. Is Toyota going back to 6 lug with the Tundra LC200?? Would be nice to to have interchangeable stuff again. Makes an axle swap a whole lot easier if you wanted to upgrade!

I would love to know who buys these things..so I know exactly who to hate.

Most expensive/under-optioned SUV in existence..I'd take an 80's FJ60 anyday over this, sink $15k into a full restoration and still have $20k left over for the cabin up North lol.

You need a hug haha.

I think Toyota needs a hug lol..maybe they'd come back to reality!

Haha it's all supply and demand. If I could afford it, I'd be one of the people you'd hate haha. Everything is overpriced if one can't afford it. One day I hope to get a LC and it'll be my last vehicle if things go right!

I may be one you hate. Why not FJ60? $15k restoration...you sure it will run reliably or will it continue to be money pit as do most restoration projects become? But beyond that, i prefer the luxury AND safety that a new Land Cruiser afford. If I wanted just capability, then i can just buy a Wrangler Rubicon and dominate the off-road.

The idea with the Land Cruiser is that it combines luxury, off-road capability, safety, and top notch reliability.

Sure, it is expensive...but why do you hate on those that have the means to own one? That’s petty dude. Let others spend their hard earned money on whatever they want...why do you care?

Hey Thai,

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2019 Mercedes-AMG G63 – New G-Wagen is a Boxy Rocket

Kinda depends on what is a fair comparitor. There's really nothing out there that's in the luxury market of offroading. Land Rovers are all unibody crossover cars now. The GM BOF SUVs don't even come with a 2 speed transfer case in most models anymore and they've all but given up on any sort of offroad use. Who else is left? I genuinely can't think of any.

The LC200 has running gear that's not too far off from a 3/4ton truck. The front wheel bearings are bigger than an F250. The rear axle isn't though. But it's basically similar to a Dana 60. You get suspension articulation that's second only to a Wrangler Rubicon with sway bar disconnect. RTI is better than a Raptor.

And it's built like a tank. It weighs more than a Raptor. Every thing is heavier than other vehicles. The windows are thicker. The exhaust is double the thickness of a 4Runner. It's simply built to a different standard.

It's won the Baja 1000 3 times IIRC and been 2nd place twice. Including 2018.

Is it a good deal? Probably not for most of the people who buy them. But is it a terrible deal? I'm not sure. It depends on what you're comparing it to - which is hard because there's nothing else out there that's in the same market space.

It would be great to get a stripped down version like you can buy overseas. The GX model in Australia starts at about $50k adjusted for tax. (Pricing conversion is tricky because their prices include tax ours don't). And it comes with a twin turbo v8 diesel. If that were offered here, I'd be driving one already.

I do actually. But it was rough riding and noisy (boxy never good at 70 mph). I don’t plan to do much off-roading other than scenic routes/mountain passes. So, TLC is plenty capable for me...yet still very comfy.

Don't get me wrong, I can afford it...I guess I just don't see the tipping point where money overtakes common sense frivolity...maybe it's just because I'm not Crazy Rich Asians level rich yet haha. Although tbh, maybe it's just age too. I can't picture going from (upgrade riddled, affordable, purpose-built, 4Runner) to (mostly-unbuildable, overpriced, questionably-purposed LC). However, I'm sure there gets a point where you just want to buy something moderately capable from the factory and call it a day. I do love the G-Wagon ever since I worked at Benz out of highschool and drove one of the first AMGs they made. But for me, that's money well spent because you're getting ALL that engine and interior, doors that close like a tank hatch, the quality oozes out of it for the price..the LC, meh, reminds me of a Gen4 Sequoia.

Gen 4 Sequoia? There’s been just 2 generations.

I owned G500. Quality...meh. I was not impress to be honest. I had several issues.

That is ****ing absurd

Haha doh, I was applying 4Runner gens to the Sequoia..sorry 1st gen.
Was it typical Benz electrical issues jw? I know the first 10ish years or so of gasoline (US spec) Gs were hit or miss and still pretty rough riding but capable.

I think you're selling the LC short by comparing it the Sequoia (regardless of the Gen) ha. There is a reason why I can go on Craigslist and find J80s selling for for $5K-$6K with +200K miles on the ODO. They are built for the long haul. As mentioned, Toyota has made the perfect vehicle when it comes to luxury, ruggedness, utility and reliability. Toyota vehicles are more expensive upfront but seem to be worth it if you can keep them for the long haul. The LC is the epitome.

Window regulators from hell!! Navigation system problem. And the last one made me depress...engine mount failure. I did off-road with it...but engine mount failure is just unacceptable for a “military” vehicle. It became expensive to service it...then you add in issues. I do miss it though.