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Old 08-25-2019, 01:40 PM #16
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Thanks for your message; just saw it (how do I get notifications when someone responds to a post??) Anyway, yeah......I wouldn't hesitate to pay another thousand or two to get a new one, obviously, but what I see for the most part is that a new 2019 would be much more......and then there's the old "amenities creep" thing where it starts at $30K, and then there's this fee and that fee, etc, etc, and next thing you know it's $36K.

I have always shared the concern about rental cars, but I did some reading, and a really good article pointed out a few actual advantages: they are regularly maintained, tend to be lower mileage, etc, etc. I know there are strong opinions about this, and I'd love to hear them, for or against, because there's a lot of former rental runners out there.
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About those amenities, I never pay for dealer add ons. it's a dang rip off and I always haggle to get that cost removed.

Every rental car I looked at whether it was for sale by the rental company or by a Toyota dealer as a certified preowned had over 20K miles and was at least $30K at the rental company or $32k at the Toyota dealership. Every single one of them had a few dints and dings, a couple had the accessory port cover removed, one had body work that wasn't disclosed no on the carfax. One I looked at that was at the dealership as a certified used car didn't have the front of the bumper snapped in and it wouldn't snap in and probably needed a new bumper. Also, when I tried to haggler the price not one dealership nor the rental car companies would budge on the price.
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Is it necessary to get one that is "decked out?" I guess this is my question: Wouldn't a "normal" 4runner w/4wd still be highly capable off-road? Assuming of course, we're not talking serious rock-crawling and the like?
Yes. The difference between what a stock 4R TRD series will do vs a fully build one are minimal and mainly in the peace of mind department. I have a tiny lift and full underneath armor due to frequency of use in rocks but not because they are technically required.

Just get AT tires of your choice. Pretty much any AT in any load rating will do. But do also get a fifth one.

For the rest, stock is fine for many difficult trails (with care).

If anyone tells you stock is not fine for moderate trails, they are using a very skewed measuring stick, as in the sport of rock crawling vs going places.
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