2020 Land Rover Defender? - Page 2 - Toyota 4Runner Forum

Jernik · 09-19-2019, 11:20 AM

That looks like what I expected the Bronco to be... Anyone else think that, or am I losing my mind?

mybabydaddy · 09-25-2019, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Jetboy

My most recent LR experience was driving around Germany in a RR Evoque - which is a Ford Focus based Range Rover (even the engine still says Ford on it). The ride was nice. The front bumper fell off on the highway for the owner shortly after purchase - the entire front plastic set literally fell completely off. None of the electronic driving aids worked by 50k miles. The interior is very IKEA style - minimalist and hard seats with very little padding. For me it would be a hard pass on that particular vehicle. My friend who owns it traded it shortly after for a Cayenne. Top to bottom a better vehicle.

Without seeing the new discovery up close it's hard to know much about it.

From the specs - tow rating is a complete joke. 8,000 lbs tow rating with a 2.0 turbo??? Surely they must be kidding. It's already heavier than a 4Runner and just as under powered. The engine is not even remotely up to the task of hauling around a 6,000lb car and an 8,000lb trailer. I'm sure the 6cyl is a bit better - but even then, it's pretty damn small. I'd say there's no possible way that's an SAE tow rating.

Otherwise it looks much more of a Jeep Cherokee/ GC competitor than a 4Runner. It's a unibody crossover SUV with "off road" styling. Much like a Rav-4 Adventure, Jeep GC, VW Toureg, etc. It's probably the right vehicle for a lot of Fauxverlanders. I'm sure it'll be great with a RTT touring around Yosemite and Yellowstone. Probably better than a 4Runner for the task most people actually use them for. If the reliability is there.... which we all know has always been the issue with Land Rover products. You'll never see one out on the trails. I've literally never once actually crossed paths with a Land Rover in moab or anywhere in the back country. Not ever. And I've seen a lot of obscure stuff out there; multiple pinzgauers, unimogs, FJ55's, FJ45 troopies, tons of H1's etc. Edit: I take that back (a little) - I have seen a few Discoveries on dirt roads in Tanzania - maybe 1% of the tour companies still have some. 99% are Land Cruisers, HINO, or MAN trucks. I've never seen a privately owned Land Rover off road. My point being - the owners don't actually ever go off road, so the off road capability really doesn't matter. LR knows this, so they're building a car with big tires that kinda looks like it would be capable off road.

Oh - I do like the styling though. It looks great!

The only dirt she sees is the dust from a construction site blowing into my wife’s parking garage. But hey, it’ll drive through 3ft of water and has 11 inches of ground clearance... in case shiote gets real at the mall.

She is purrty tho.

Don’t believe the hype. It’s still a LR. Ours has seen the service bay every two months... mostly minor annoying crap. Luckily, we live close to the dealership.

Runner on...

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hatidua · 09-26-2019, 09:59 AM

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these girls aren't sold for actual off-roading. They're status cars.

-like British cars in general.

techno · 09-26-2019, 11:36 AM

I chatted with my local LR dealer yesterday. I specifically asked about a factory winch, since lots of pics show a winch integrated into the bumper, but I couldn't see the option when doing an online 'build'. He said it will be a dealer installed option, so that's cool. Also said they should be getting a demo vehicle before the end of the year, but sales deliveries won't arrive until mid spring next year. I declined the invite to make an order with a $1000 deposit. But I will def drive one as soon as they are available.

el_kab0ng · 09-28-2019, 02:02 PM

IMO, it looks too much like an older Honda Element to be attractive. I do like features which should already be in every vehicle made like allowing TWO smart phone connections at the same time instead of one. Winning!

duffdog · 10-01-2019, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by el_kab0ng

IMO, it looks too much like an older Honda Element to be attractive. I do like features which should already be in every vehicle made like allowing TWO smart phone connections at the same time instead of one. Winning!

How many people do you think you could fool if you simply swapped the badges between these vehicles using photoshop. I bet every LR enthusiast would pick the honda just because it says "land rover" on it.

MeefZah · 10-01-2019, 06:42 PM

I met a guy last week who just had his 2019 Defender bought back under lemon law. He was waiting to get a 2020 Defender as its replacement and is driving a rental Subaru until that time arrives.

Closest LR dealer is 5 hour south of us.

Dude is a hard learner.

Mass 4runner · 10-01-2019, 10:28 PM

I find them ugly and if past performance is any indication they will be quality/reliability nightmares to own.

Baystate4Runner · 10-04-2019, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MeefZah

I met a guy last week who just had his 2019 Defender bought back under lemon law. He was waiting to get a 2020 Defender as its replacement and is driving a rental Subaru until that time arrives.

Closest LR dealer is 5 hour south of us.

Dude is a hard learner.

Are you sure? I think the last production year of the old Defender was 2016.

MeefZah · 10-05-2019, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Baystate4Runner

Are you sure? I think the last production year of the old Defender was 2016.

Mmm may not have been a Defender then. Def a Land Rover.

Steamfitter · 10-06-2019, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by riskybusiness

Im curious if anyone is considering making the jump? They are really catching my eye, other than the price tag.

The New Defender | Land Rover USA

Hell no. Those come with almost 100 different computer-controlled parts, including critical things like braking and turning the vehicle on and off. Might as well burn your money. In fact, I read that there is now a feature which electronically alerts the service department at your land rover dealership when a part fails, so they automatically order it in for you. That tells you all you need to know about how much confidence land rover has about their own products.

FYI, Land Rover/Jaguar is now owned by Tata and are outsourcing a lot of their manufacturing to 3rd world factories that probably have no concept of quality control as it would pertain to complex electronics like you find in expensive luxury vehicles. This will only cause further problems in their vehicles.

Thai · 10-07-2019, 01:57 PM

Well, two weeks ago, after looking at Defender, i bought a 2019 Land Cruiser. Defender looks nice with some amazing options/features, but that whole unreliability stuff would ruin the fun of ownership.

DavidR1 · 10-07-2019, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MeefZah

I met a guy last week who just had his 2019 Defender bought back under lemon law. .

There is no 2019 Defender, cool story though bro.

mrblah · 10-07-2019, 02:21 PM

Land rovers are like hot, insecure women.

Great looking, will burn a hole in your wallet, and not reliable enough to keep around.

ctrporsche · 10-08-2019, 02:04 PM

The new defender looks great, but once you start adding a few options it gets too pricey for me. Every build ive done on the configurator I get it to about mid 60-70k.

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