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What the **** did you just ****ing say about independent rear suspension, you little *****? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class at devry university of suspension design, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on moab, and I have over 300 off road stickers on my bumper. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top off road driver in the entire baja peninsula. You are nothing to me but just another obstacle. I will flex my suspension on you with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my ****ing words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, ****er. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of suspension engineers across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're ****ing dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can rock crawl in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my stock shocks. Not only am I extensively trained in rock crawling but I have access to the entire arsenal of pepboys and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your ****ing tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're ****ing dead, kiddo
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What the **** did you just ****ing say about independent rear suspension, you little *****? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class at devry university of suspension design, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on moab, and I have over 300 off road stickers on my bumper. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top off road driver in the entire baja peninsula. You are nothing to me but just another obstacle. I will flex my suspension on you with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my ****ing words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, ****er. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of suspension engineers across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're ****ing dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can rock crawl in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my stock shocks. Not only am I extensively trained in rock crawling but I have access to the entire arsenal of pepboys and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your ****ing tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're ****ing dead, kiddo
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This thread is almost as entertaining as this one: https://www.tetongravity.com...29815-Interesting-Tahoe-Craigslist-Ad-(NSR)

Man @RichinRidgewood I hope you're just yanking everyone's chain and joking around. If you're actually serious, you must be a real joy around the campfire...
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This thread is almost as entertaining as this one: https://www.tetongravity.com...29815-Interesting-Tahoe-Craigslist-Ad-(NSR)

Man @RichinRidgewood I hope you're just yanking everyone's chain and joking around. If you're actually serious, you must be a real joy around the campfire...
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I learned a new phase from it too "...b**ch foam...". That's the foam left in to bottom of your 40 that didn't make it into your cake hole while you were chugging it.

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@RichinRidgewood I have one of each. Both have their place. In your post, you had mentioned the solid axle in the front. Aside from the very early model 4runners(84-85) having the solid front axle, they've always had independent front suspension. The IFS can take only so much abuse and also paired with a small front diff, things go wrong in the off road world. IFS is fine for what 99% of the members on here do with their trucks.
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I have both a solid axle and a ifs 4runner, I can tell you from my experience the solid axle spanks the ifs offroad and the ifs spanks the solid axle on pavement.

The ifs suspension doesn't have enough travel being limited by CV axle working angles and the diffs/cv's are not meant to withstand the torque of large tires and lockers.
Solid axles are easy to upgrade and there is large support of vendors to find parts.
there's a reason why solid axles are still very popular,they plain work and are proven.
Having said this if I'm going to be driving dirt roads and do mild 4wheeling I will always pick the Ifs because the ride quality is better.
Yes you will see IFS now dominating the Hammers race but they are running seriously high dollar suspensions and comparing that to our 4runners is apples to oranges.
Is one better than the other 100% of the time? no,each has their place.
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It's funny how the solid axle fanbois come out of the woodwork when their paradigm is challenged.

I think the above post nails it. Depends on what kind of off-roading you do and even then, there can be benefits/drawbacks to each.

From a production car standpoint with durability and overall cost taken into consideration, I think the solid rear axle makes the most sense for the 4Runner. I also think IFS is the best choice for the front.

Doesn't mean I wouldn't mind one with IRS, but at least the current ones are linked.

Did someone say articulation?

And just what did that suspension cost? and in reality what 4runner could you put that under?

This has a stupid amount of flex,can be built in any driveway and would cost a fraction of that IFS contraption.
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And just what did that suspension cost? and in reality what 4runner could you put that under?

This has a stupid amount of flex,can be built in any driveway and would cost a fraction of that IFS contraption.

Yes and I think thats a good point.
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Application Summary for Various Front Axle Types Based the Information in this Thread


Application for Solid Front Axles

-Home built recreational vehicles on a budget built to minimize the wenching from the owners wife, mother, girlfriend etc.

-Nostalgic vehicle's (Old Bronco's,) and Jeeps

-Monster trucks

-Some rock crawlers who's teams have helicopters to shuttle their drivers around (per Dr. Jetboy, Phd.)

-Ox carts

-Over the road trucks


Applications for Independent Front Axles

-Technically up to date production SUV's

-Desert Racers

-Paris to Dakar Vehicles

-Increasing Number of KoH competitors

-Current Military vehicles

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For me the advantage of SA is strength only. No IFS suspension of any design can handle a straight on impact with a 6 ft rock at 40mph and suffer anything other than complete catastrophic failure. A reinforced solid axle can (and has) survived this type of impact with only nominal damage to the drivers face and hands from the velocity change. In this case, the SAS simply moves the damage from itself to other parts of the vehicle which may be a benefit in some situations.

As far as safety for towing heavy loads, a solid rear axle is required due to its lateral strength. Vertical strength is easy to build into an IRS, but lateral strength is nearly impossible to get without significant cost in both materials and engineering time.

All IFS designs are inherently weak in brute force comparisons with solid steel parts, though they may perform better on all terrain that does not include smashing directly into multiple 2000lb rocks at high speed.
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Application Summary for Various Front Axle Types Based the Information in this Thread


Application for Solid Front Axles

-Home built recreational vehicles on a budget built to minimize the wenching from the owners wife, mother, girlfriend etc.

-Nostalgic vehicle's (Old Bronco's,) and Jeeps

-Monster trucks

-Some rock crawlers who's teams have helicopters to shuttle their drivers around (per Dr. Jetboy, Phd.)

-Ox carts

-Over the road trucks


Applications for Independent Front Axles

-Technically up to date production SUV's

-Desert Racers

-Paris to Dakar Vehicles

-Increasing Number of KoH competitors

-Current Military vehicles

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The new military vehicles went back to SA it seems:

International MaxxPro - Wikipedia
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Chalk and cheese.

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Conspiracy

We are going to have to talk about the elephant in the room soon.

Conspiracy Theories

I believe that people are being paid to create propaganda that "solid front axles are better than Independent Front Suspension" so that said manufacturer does not have to invest the money to bring their OX CART up to modern standards.

Just say'n. Could be true. Probably is.
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We are going to have to talk about the elephant in the room soon.

Conspiracy Theories

I believe that people are being paid to create propaganda that "solid front axles are better than Independent Front Suspension" so that said manufacturer does not have to invest the money to bring their OX CART up to modern standards.

Just say'n. Could be true. Probably is.
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Name calling is a form of propaganda.


1) Bandwagon propaganda :
Human beings are a social animal and most of their actions are influenced by society. They constantly try to fit in. Bandwagon propaganda technique works on follow-the-herd mentality. In this technique, people are encouraged to become part of the group. For example, girls are convinced to not to step out of the house without wearing makeup.

2) Card Stacking propaganda :
The term card stacking is originated from gambling. It takes place when gamblers attempt to stack decks in their favor. This propaganda technique is used quite often. In this technique, you omit certain facts to misleading your audience by making a product appear better than they actually are. Some companies cleverly hide unpleasant details of a product and advertise only its benefits such as some companies cleverly hide hidden charges on a product.

3) Plain Folk Propaganda :
You must have noticed that, nowadays, even powerful companies are using ordinary people to advertise their product than using celebrities or a well-known face. Can you think about why do they do so? The purpose of taking ordinary folks to promote a product is to make people believe that a certain product is for everyone and is used by common people.
This method is becoming popular because these days people don’t trust the paid advertisements by celebrities and want to see the real experience of people rather than the polished and scripted experiences of celebrities. For example, Stayfree always shows the experience of ordinary school going girl with its sanitary pads. The idea behind creating this type of advertisement is that Stayfree pad is for ordinary people and every girl uses it.

4) Testimonial Propaganda :
Opposite to plain folk propaganda, testimonial propaganda uses well-known celebrity to endorse their product. In this way, they can easily convert fan-base of that celebrity to convert into their customers. People have a tendency to believe when a popular person vouches for something. The brand uses the credibility of a person to establish the credibility of the product.

5) Glittering Generality Propaganda :
In this type of propaganda, propagandist uses emotional or vague statements to persuade their audience. They use phrases like “we understand you” or “always with you” to create positive anecdotes, which makes products look appealing and results in better sales. Other than that, sometimes propagandists also use metaphors, hyperboles or lyrical phrases to grab the attention of their audience.

6) Name Calling Propaganda :
Name calling Propaganda uses a totally opposite technique than Glittering propaganda. In this technique, propagandist intentionally uses a pejorative phrase to create a negative opinion about another brand. This type of propaganda sometimes starts advertisement war between the competitor brands where they showdown other’s product through advertisements.
Brands may also talk down about an idea. For instance, a company which sells plant-based products may say that how cruel it is to kill animals and they may also dissuade fast-food chain businesses. In a very famous advertisement of Burger King, they have ridiculed McDonald’s big Mac by comparing it with their “Whopper” burger.

7) Transfer Propaganda :
Now, this type of propaganda is a smart way to use the opportunity to project certain qualities of a product, idea, or person. this technique various ideology to get favourable outcomes. This type of propaganda is frequently used by politicians. Most politicians talk about the misdeeds of the opposition party to inspire people to vote for their own party. Other than that, most companies use this propaganda to use the opportunity when products of competitor companies found faulty.

8) Ad nauseam propaganda :
This type of propaganda is adopted by many companies which sell products like shampoo, hair oil, cooking oil, or face creams. The purpose of this type of propaganda is to make a place in the minds of your viewers. You must have noticed while watching television, certain ads are repeated frequently by flashing their names on your face and later when you go for shopping. You prefer to buy that product because you feel familiar with it rather than other brand’s product you haven’t heard about.
9) Stereotyping propaganda :

The agenda behind this type of propaganda is to target a group of segments of the society and their certain traits. Companies include the cause of breaking stereotypes. There are various types of stereotypes (like girls are bad drivers, beautiful women are dumb, millennials are insensitive towards old people) are used in advertising. Hero Honda pleasure, a two-wheeler women’s bike use the stereotype propaganda to promote their bike with the tag line “why should boys have all the fun”, which clearly represents that only not boys but girls can also roam in groups.

10) Appeal to prejudice propaganda :
This type of propaganda works on the principle of exploiting audiences’ desire. For example, in India, girls with dark skin have a low image for themselves and they can do anything to get one shade lighter. Fairness cream companies exploit this desire of unfair girls to sell them beauty fairness cream by promising that they will get light screen tone and hence, get success and acceptance in the society.

11) Appeal to fear propaganda :
This type of propaganda uses the fear of people to convince them to buy their products. Companies which makes products like cement, bike wheel tires, or insurance policy uses “appeal to fear” propaganda to make encourage people to buy their products. For example, the anti-tobacco campaign run by the government of India to stop people from using tobacco products.
In those advertisements, they show the real footage of people suffering from mouth cancer and regretting consuming tobacco. The advertisement using “appeal to fear” propaganda to appeal to people to quit tobacco.
Above were all the different Types of Propoganda most commonly observed in the Business market.

11 Types Of Propaganda & The Uses Of Each Propoganda

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