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03-29-2020, 07:28 AM
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03-29-2020, 08:08 AM
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Huh, weird. Stop spreading conspiracy theories. Lol.
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03-29-2020, 08:56 AM
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March 29, 2020
Johns Hopkins Chinese Virus Tracking
World Fatalities due to Chinese Virus to date 31.77k
World Average Yearly fatalities due to flu 647k
Economic Suffering Index (need to find measurement for this)
Dow Jones -21.8%
FTSE 100 -26.8%
Coronavirus: A visual guide to the economic impact - BBC News
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03-29-2020, 09:16 AM
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There’s lots of information to take in and weed through during the shutdown. Concerning the first linked article:
In the coronavirus pandemic, we're making decisions without reliable data
Thanks for posting this opinion piece. But don’t forget to read the comments at the bottom of the article. They are generally in disagreement with the author.
I agree that we need more and better data to make good plans and decisions. But the author makes no suggestion as how to do this.
I did learn something, though. The word “hecatomb”.
: an ancient Greek and Roman sacrifice of 100 oxen or cattle.
: the sacrifice or slaughter of many victims.
Once again, to get a bigger picture read the comments.
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03-29-2020, 09:48 AM
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We should be cautious about seeking out only information that supports our personal beliefs. Again, thanks for pointing to that website. They post a lot of good medical articles about the corona virus.
Such as this one:
What we've learned about the coronavirus — and what we need to know
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03-29-2020, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by RichinRidgewood
March 29, 2020
Johns Hopkins Chinese Virus Tracking
World Fatalities due to Chinese Virus to date 31.77k
World Average Yearly fatalities due to flu 647k
Economic Suffering Index (need to find measurement for this)
Dow Jones -21.8%
FTSE 100 -26.8%
Coronavirus: A visual guide to the economic impact - BBC News
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This shutdown is really screwing up the whole world economy. It seems we need to virus test mass quantities of the population, and often, to get the data necessary to decide who and when they go back to work.
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03-29-2020, 10:14 AM
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I'm pretty confident the 16yr old with no comorbidities on ECMO who's looking at a sub 10% chance of surviving at my local hospital would disagree with the Georgia guy...
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03-29-2020, 10:53 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RichinRidgewood
March 29, 2020
Johns Hopkins Chinese Virus Tracking
World Fatalities due to Chinese Virus to date 31.77k
World Average Yearly fatalities due to flu 647k
Economic Suffering Index (need to find measurement for this)
Dow Jones -21.8%
FTSE 100 -26.8%
Coronavirus: A visual guide to the economic impact - BBC News
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Not trying to be a butthead or anything, but just crunching the numbers quickly and basically, and I know that there's still going to be exponential growth for the coronavirus and the R0 and survival statistics are different between the two, but still. Basic crunching with the 32k deaths so far (let's call it 3 months) puts us on track for 128k deaths in a year. That's way lower than the regular flu.
How is the regular flu not overwhelming hospitals yet still killing so many people? Are there just that many people in the hospitals at one time that even though there are lots the hospitals have the capacity for it? Are people more commonly dying of the flu at home?
I'm not trying to downplay the seriousness of the coronavirus. It is very serious, especially with the R0 and survival statistics. I'm of the mind to think that there was some sort of leaked bioweapon incident at the facility near the market. I definitely think the world should rethink its priorities in light of the CCP covering up the coronavirus in the early days and putting the whole world in this craptacular situation. (DON'T PROP UP THE CCP BECAUSE THEIR LABOR IS SO CHEAP AND THEIR SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION YET STILL NUMERICALLY LARGE MIDDLE CLASS IS LUCRATIVE.) Still, is there something I'm missing when thinking about the basic numbers?
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03-29-2020, 11:19 AM
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One thing we keep hearing is “it’s not as bad as the flu, according to my calculations the deaths are less than the x thousand flu deaths...” etc.
Remember that these Covid-19 deaths do not replace flu deaths. They are in *addition* to flu deaths. And the outbreak is not over. No one knows the ultimate total. There will be more corona viruses in the future. Hopefully the world will respond better next time.
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03-29-2020, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Gamma Ray
Not trying to be a butthead or anything, but just crunching the numbers quickly and basically, and I know that there's still going to be exponential growth for the coronavirus and the R0 and survival statistics are different between the two, but still. Basic crunching with the 32k deaths so far (let's call it 3 months) puts us on track for 128k deaths in a year. That's way lower than the regular flu.
How is the regular flu not overwhelming hospitals yet still killing so many people? Are there just that many people in the hospitals at one time that even though there are lots the hospitals have the capacity for it? Are people more commonly dying of the flu at home?
I'm not trying to downplay the seriousness of the coronavirus. It is very serious, especially with the R0 and survival statistics. I'm of the mind to think that there was some sort of leaked bioweapon incident at the facility near the market. I definitely think the world should rethink its priorities in light of the CCP covering up the coronavirus in the early days and putting the whole world in this craptacular situation. (DON'T PROP UP THE CCP BECAUSE THEIR LABOR IS SO CHEAP AND THEIR SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION YET STILL NUMERICALLY LARGE MIDDLE CLASS IS LUCRATIVE.) Still, is there something I'm missing when thinking about the basic numbers?
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Is the Chinese Virus a BIOWEAPON China used to PUNISH HONG KONG but went out of control?
Virus Brings Out Ugly Side of Hong Kong'''s Protest Movement | Time
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03-29-2020, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by ElectroBoy
One thing we keep hearing is “it’s not as bad as the flu, according to my calculations the deaths are less than the x thousand flu deaths...” etc.
Remember that these Covid-19 deaths do not replace flu deaths. They are in *addition* to flu deaths. And the outbreak is not over. No one knows the ultimate total. There will be more corona viruses in the future. Hopefully the world will respond better next time.
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True, especially the addition part, but it's like, there's a gargantuan number of people that die of the flu every year, and nobody seems to care.
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03-29-2020, 12:35 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ElectroBoy
One thing we keep hearing is “it’s not as bad as the flu, according to my calculations the deaths are less than the x thousand flu deaths...” etc.
Remember that these Covid-19 deaths do not replace flu deaths. They are in *addition* to flu deaths. And the outbreak is not over. No one knows the ultimate total. There will be more corona viruses in the future. Hopefully the world will respond better next time.
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Is that right? I'm not so sure.
Per the video I posted awhile ago, according to that Dr, every year up to 14% of people counted as having the flu actually have a coronavirus (SARS, MERS, or whatever).
I'd be surprised if people actually get tested in every typical year for the flu vs a coronavirus.
Goes back to what is the excess rate of infection and mortality of this coronavirus vs years past.
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