With the way I've seen hemi's eat cams and lifters recently I ain't touching one. I also dumped a 2012 wrangler for my 2012 T4R because of quality issues... and nothing has changed there.

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I'll never own another FCA vehicle until something ginormous changes there, but I still care about what engine they put in there because if I've got to have an FCA vehicle, I don't want one of those new Hemis. They're lubricated by luck, and a bunch of the time you have bad luck. Totally boneheaded design.

What a pain in the sack to do this....

Yeah, I’d be more interested in a Bronco that didn’t have a removable roof. I think the new Broncos look cool and all, but I’m too lazy to want to deal with that process very often. Is that similar to a Jeep, or does Jeep have roof removability dialed in better?


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Doesn't look any harder than a Jeep. I like it. Though I wonder, are the electronic switches/dash water resistant?

No less difficult than my TJ was. Compared to a Miata, the gold standard of manual soft tops, everything else is a chore.

Episode 1 soft top:
"Position 1" is dumb. It looks dumb, and it looks like trouble waiting to happen if you don't use those extra straps, even if you're only on the road. "Position 2" isn't much better. Full removal is okay but "be careful not to drop the bolts into the wheel well" is either dumb design if that part didn't absolutely have to be open. Otherwise, it doesn't seem too bad. Pretty intelligently designed for the most part. I like the versatility, too. You can take the side and rear pieces off and get kind of a 4Runner rear window rolled down effect.

Episode 2 hard top:
Eh, it seems fine. I could have sworn that you were supposed to be able to put more pieces in the trunk than just the pieces that cover the front seats, but maybe this video doesn't cover everything. And it looks like the rear portion may be less nightmarish to remove and put back on by yourself than a Jeep, but I don't know how much it weighs. It does look smaller, though, so it might be light enough to make a difference.

All in all, that soft top looks very interesting. I'd be interested in having it if I didn't already get a 4Runner The hard top seems fine, too.

Does this vehicle actually exist or is it just an "ad" vehicle?

These are like 95-98% preproduction models. First ones ship early next year.

I’ve driven convertible cars. Friends have owned them. They’re noisy, the fabric top eventually deteriorates and needs replacement, and a-hole thieves slice through it easily. No thanks.

After owning a couple soft top Jeep’s one thing that steered me to the 4Runner was the ability to open all windows the rear glass and the sunroof with just a push of a few buttons. I’m getting lazier in my old age.

Yeah, I would have considered a Bronco if they made a model without a removable roof and doors. I’ll be content driving my 4R with the windows and rear glass open.


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It looks good to me.

Ridiculous power, factory lift with 35s, 2 and 4 door body options, MT option, hard top and soft top options, trick 4WD systems...

On paper this is in every way what Toyota needs to be planning for the next 4Runner.

I agree.

I will never own another Ford but I’m glad they built the Bronco.

1.) it’s nice to see other light 4WD vehicles out there.
2.) maybe Toyota gets their act together. They seem to only advance when competitors up the ante.
3.) it’s a message to the bean counters that we don’t want another unibody off-road by namesake-only suv.