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Maybe do some research before posting.

It’s the same car with only a few minor refresh’s done. Same crap battery unless you upgrade to a bigger (heavier) one. Same ridiculous charging times.
Same battery technology ... that’s why Tesla will cease to exist at some time in the near future.
I did a little research, and re-read the story.
The guy sure wasn’t a Boy Scout. Not prepared. Poor planning. Mistakes were made. More than once he mentioned being cold, he probably wasn’t even dressed properly for winter weather.

Pushing the early technology to its limits in cold weather on his first use of the car that he wasn’t familiar with.
Anybody who knows anything about batteries knows about capacity loss at cold temperatures.
Then in Norwich he didn’t even get a full charge, pushing his luck again because he was impatient.

He made his stupid ill-fated journey 8 years ago. Since then there are now are a lot more Tesla charging stations on the East Coast. Take a look at the map.

https://www.tesla.com/findus?bounds=...%20CT%2C%20USA

Tesla gives you all the tools you need to plan your trip properly. If you don’t plan and allow for worst cases you’re a fool.
He brought this on himself looking for a story.

Talk about propaganda.
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I did a little research, and re-read the story.
The guy sure wasn’t a Boy Scout. Not prepared. Poor planning. Mistakes were made. More than once he mentioned being cold, he probably wasn’t even dressed properly for winter weather.

Pushing the early technology to its limits in cold weather on his first use of the car that he wasn’t familiar with.
Anybody who knows anything about batteries knows about capacity loss at cold temperatures.
Then in Norwich he didn’t even get a full charge, pushing his luck again because he was impatient.

He made his stupid ill-fated journey 8 years ago. Since then there are now are a lot more Tesla charging stations on the East Coast. Take a look at the map.

https://www.tesla.com/findus?bounds=...%20CT%2C%20USA

Tesla gives you all the tools you need to plan your trip properly. If you don’t plan and allow for worst cases you’re a fool.
He brought this on himself looking for a story.

Talk about propaganda.


After the fact nonsense .... nice try
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There is a solution. Stay in CA, become politically active and change the leadership to someone more in tune with your beliefs.
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Ban internal combustion engines? Funny because Germany is installing hydrogen stations and Toyota and Honda have hydrogen cars and I know Ford has hydrogen internal combustions engines because I knew the guys designing them. HICEV's
Im sure there are others.
I haven't ready the EO but I would assume that vehicles with hydrogen fuel cells would be allowed since they are relatively 0 emissions.
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This thread is funny.

Californian here who drives a 4Runner both on trails and to the grocery store; thinks Gavin Newsom's tenure has been good for CA; has no problem with the recent executive order about electric vehicles; thinks both State and Federal agencies, and we as individual consumers of fossil fuels, share responsibility for the American West's wildfire crisis; thinks it's impossible to stereotype CA's nearly 40 million people or their opinions, habits or lifestyles with any accuracy whatsoever; laughs / cringes at fellow Californians sometimes anyway; and thinks CA is an incredible place to live and explore despite its challenges. AMA!
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This thread is funny.

Californian here who drives a 4Runner both on trails and to the grocery store; thinks Gavin Newsom's tenure has been good for CA; has no problem with the recent executive order about electric vehicles; thinks both State and Federal agencies, and we as individual consumers of fossil fuels, share responsibility for the American West's wildfire crisis; thinks it's impossible to stereotype CA's nearly 40 million people or their opinions, habits or lifestyles with any accuracy whatsoever; laughs / cringes at fellow Californians sometimes anyway; and thinks CA is an incredible place to live and explore despite its challenges. AMA!
You don't think inadequate forest management is the biggest contributor?
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You don't think inadequate forest management is the biggest contributor?
Definitely. But you can’t say that California is all to blame for not “sweeping the forest”. Remember the Smokey the Bear campaign of fire prevention and suppression? A federal program.

Here’s a paragraph from an article that explains it rather well.

“...The US Forest Service adopted a policy of fire suppression. President Teddy Roosevelt and his Forest Service chief, Gifford Pinchot, drummed up fears of timber scarcity in order to expand federal control over forests and to suppress fires...”

California Has Always Had Fires, Environmental Alarmism Makes Them Worse Than Necessary

It’s going to cost more (and maybe create more jobs), but more logging and controlled burning needs to be done every year.
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You don't think inadequate forest management is the biggest contributor?
I agree with what ElectroBoy wrote but also -- Yes, poor forest management surely must a huge part of it, which is a shared responsibility of the state and federal governments. Certainly in the top 2 along with climate change, I'd guess?

Side note: I wish I could find the percentages somewhere, but a large part of the lands that are burning in the West are BLM / federal lands. Not that it really matters -- it's everyone's problem.

And the climate change aspect is one we as consumers contribute to (among other contributors) with tailpipe emissions from the cars we buy, but also other lifestyle choices (e.g. cattle) that result collectively in much more carbon emissions than are probably needed to sustain a high quality of life. I am 100% guilty of this.
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Definitely. But you can’t say that California is all to blame for not “sweeping the forest”. Remember the Smokey the Bear campaign of fire prevention and suppression? A federal program.

Here’s a paragraph from an article that explains it rather well.

“...The US Forest Service adopted a policy of fire suppression. President Teddy Roosevelt and his Forest Service chief, Gifford Pinchot, drummed up fears of timber scarcity in order to expand federal control over forests and to suppress fires...”

California Has Always Had Fires, Environmental Alarmism Makes Them Worse Than Necessary



It’s going to cost more (and maybe create more jobs), but more logging and controlled burning needs to be done every year.
This is what I'm saying, The Sierra Club, among other environmental groups, have fought and won to drastically reduce timber harvesting.
And the whole "sweeping the forest floor" is a silly assertion, and the smokey the bear thing really has no bearing in regards to controlled burns. Controlled burns are used across much of the eastern US to remove dead underbrush with great success. Hell, even the NAI used controlled burns.
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Definitely. But you can’t say that California is all to blame for not “sweeping the forest”. Remember the Smokey the Bear campaign of fire prevention and suppression? A federal program.

Here’s a paragraph from an article that explains it rather well.

“...The US Forest Service adopted a policy of fire suppression. President Teddy Roosevelt and his Forest Service chief, Gifford Pinchot, drummed up fears of timber scarcity in order to expand federal control over forests and to suppress fires...”

California Has Always Had Fires, Environmental Alarmism Makes Them Worse Than Necessary

It’s going to cost more (and maybe create more jobs), but more logging and controlled burning needs to be done every year.
Not being familiar with the state, do they have enough firebreaks? If not, maybe adding some would help slow down some of the fires. Just a thought.
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This is what I'm saying, The Sierra Club, among other environmental groups, have fought and won to drastically reduce timber harvesting.
And the whole "sweeping the forest floor" is a silly assertion, and the smokey the bear thing really has no bearing in regards to controlled burns. Controlled burns are used across much of the eastern US to remove dead underbrush with great success. Hell, even the NAI used controlled burns.
I'm going to stay out of the Gas vs Electric debate but...

Timber harvesting has nothing to do with the current situation. The forest ecosystem in entire Western US burns. It always has, it always will. Redwoods can't procreate without fire. But while fire is natural, the intensity is getting worse.

The climate here is getting dryer and warmer and this has several knock-on effects. The tree line is creeping to higher altitudes, trees are getting more stressed during the hotter summers, less snow means dryer fuels on the forest floor earlier in the summer and less water for trees later in the year which further stresses them, and warmer winters contribute to beetle plagues that wipe out millions of acres of trees.

In Colorado you would need a WPA scale jobs program of sawyers to clear the dead standing lodgepole pine that the pine beetles killed in the mid-2000s. You can't do a simple controlled burn in these dead forests. You need to down the trees, stack them up, and burn them in giant pyres in the fall after the first snows or you bring them down to a yard and turn them in to heating pellets and sawdust. It's going to take a lot of people to remediate 3.4 million acres in just this State.

Hell, you'd need a Government program for the live trees too because Lodgepole is probably the worlds shittiest pine tree and no commercial enterprise would every try to harvest it for a profit.

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Much truth there. The unburned fuel in the forest is just amazing. Makes for uncontrol able fires, even for mother nature. The Beetle kill is something interesting all by itself. There was a well done explanation in the Waldon forest service office a few years ago. i don't know if it is still there. Worth a visit.
The "blue board" makes great building material. The available fuel for uncontrolable fires is scary. Our fire insurance rates are becoming untenable.
Won't be long before you won't be able to buy fire insurance for your house at any price. We are in a zone 4 area. we have a fire hydrant across the road, and a fire station less than 1/2 mile, lake almost in the front yard, and high risk insurance. Almost lost our house to an irresponsible smoker a few years ago.
But they still hang their smokes out the car window and throw the buts out the window. It will get worse before it gets better. Guess i got off topic here, sorry.
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Don't worry california communist voters, you deserve everything that you are experiencing. You can blame it on climate change or whatever that makes you sleep well at night, but the reality is, most of the fires out there, the rolling blackouts, the crappy roads, the high taxes, is the result of you...the communist voter, voting for insane bills and taxes all in the name of saving the environment, but which has the exact opposite effect in most cases.

It's okay the communist public servants thanks you the uninformed voter for helping them line their pockets with your money.
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Much truth there. The unburned fuel in the forest is just amazing. Makes for uncontrol able fires, even for mother nature. The Beetle kill is something interesting all by itself. There was a well done explanation in the Waldon forest service office a few years ago. i don't know if it is still there. Worth a visit.
The "blue board" makes great building material. The available fuel for uncontrolable fires is scary. Our fire insurance rates are becoming untenable.
Won't be long before you won't be able to buy fire insurance for your house at any price. We are in a zone 4 area. we have a fire hydrant across the road, and a fire station less than 1/2 mile, lake almost in the front yard, and high risk insurance. Almost lost our house to an irresponsible smoker a few years ago.
But they still hang their smokes out the car window and throw the buts out the window. It will get worse before it gets better. Guess i got off topic here, sorry.

Unfortunately Blue-Stain wood is only good for finishing material. Lodge pole is not a great structural wood.
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