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Old 10-04-2020, 01:08 PM #16
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Oh yeah I don't think everyone could have an EV tomorrow due to the amount of resources we have, apparently there isn't even enough cobalt/precious metals to build EVs for everyone. But in 20 or so years its likely the only new vehicles you'll be able to buy will be EV due to world governments regulations so they better figure something out.

Youíre probably right. Weíre definitely headed that way. I just wonder if the resources, mining and energy needed to produce all these electric vehicles along with all the additional electricity we will need to produce to power these vehicles will really be any better than just using petroleum.


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The only problem is that electricity isnít free. Where I live, electricity rates have already seen a sharp increase and they were just approved for another 10% increase. As EVs grow in number and the demand for the electricity spikes, rates will follow. It will soon cost you more to charge your EV than it does to fill up at the pump. And the mining it will take to produce the metals to make these billions of batteries will dwarf drilling that occurs for fossil fuels.
Where I live electricity prices have been declining - in real dollars, pre-inflation. We also run on 100% renewable energy nearly all the time. That story is increasing accurate for most of the US, at least nearly everywhere that is politically red or purple. The only significant outlier in the US is Nebraska, which has a government-owned statewide grid - they are paying more and are very late to the wind/solar investment.

That is not meant as a political statement as much as an observation - Texas, Midwest, Rockies have all had flat or declining electricity costs while seeing an increasingly greened grid. California and the Northeast see increasing costs but really no greener electricity sourcing.

Noting the Rhode Island location, the villain is mostly New York State. Gov. Cuomo has been holding his New England neighbors hostage. No new electric lines and no gas pipelines (necessary as a backup power source to renewables).

As noted, the ability to integrate a large number of home-based vehicle chargers is not good either. Without market forces that incentivize re-engineering the grid to support new loads in new places, there will be pinch points and some places at the end of the line, such as Rhode Island, that will be big losers.
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If gas hit that high the 4runner would be the least of my worries. Paying for food would be number one on the list.
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If gas hit that high the 4runner would be the least of my worries. Paying for food would be number one on the list.
And as wise as Charlie is this situation is put into perspective....
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Both the boyfriend and I have gas-guzzling vehicles but have both talked about getting two-wheel methods of transportation.

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My commute to work would go from $800 a year to $2400 a year, so for me it wouldn't be a huge issue. I do think about finding a KLR 650 for commuting a day or two a week though. I would ride my bicycle to work if it were safe, but I always go to work when it is dark, and over half the ride is on 50-55 MPH two lane roads- not safe at all.
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It's paid for...why wouldnt i...?

plus, i own a motorcycle that gets 50mpg...and i ride that daily from April to Oct...to offset any gas costs...
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Where I live electricity prices have been declining - in real dollars, pre-inflation. We also run on 100% renewable energy nearly all the time. That story is increasing accurate for most of the US, at least nearly everywhere that is politically red or purple. The only significant outlier in the US is Nebraska, which has a government-owned statewide grid - they are paying more and are very late to the wind/solar investment.

That is not meant as a political statement as much as an observation - Texas, Midwest, Rockies have all had flat or declining electricity costs while seeing an increasingly greened grid. California and the Northeast see increasing costs but really no greener electricity sourcing.

Noting the Rhode Island location, the villain is mostly New York State. Gov. Cuomo has been holding his New England neighbors hostage. No new electric lines and no gas pipelines (necessary as a backup power source to renewables).

As noted, the ability to integrate a large number of home-based vehicle chargers is not good either. Without market forces that incentivize re-engineering the grid to support new loads in new places, there will be pinch points and some places at the end of the line, such as Rhode Island, that will be big losers.
This is true. Right now there's a lot of money going into solar/wind/hydrogen and a lot of money flowing out of more traditional methods (just look at Exxon). I think that long term people will force-legislate "green" energy to happen, and while there will probably be price fluctuations, energy supply issues etc, eventually the market will figure out how to deal with it.
I love my internal combustion engine, and will always have one in the garage, but I think the younger generation of voters will literally push out oil/coal over time through politics. We'll all have fun being "green" while huge areas are strip-mined for lithium lol.
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Yes, and gasoline should be $10 per gallon.

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Will never happen because of our (USA) HUGE natural/oil resources.
Inflationary pressure is undefeated. International development, the adaptation and use of differing fuel technologies for cars in developed and developing countries, and future trends in air travel will play a huge role in determining future price (as well as taxes!), but given natural trends, and assuming the "normal" gallon of gas is near $3.00 (some of you in CA might disagree), we'll hit a "normal" gallon of gas at $8.00 by 2040*.

See you then, suckers!

*math mistake, actually near 2033.

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